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the-pi-guy said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Just to be clear and consistent and not be hypocritical, we all oppose retaliatory tariffs, right?

The person who punches back in self defense does not have the same level of blame as the one who started the fist fight. 

That's a meaningful difference, and not hypocritical. 

So you'd damage your own economy just to damage your opposition, just like Trump?

I don't think the tariffs have anything to do with any trade deficit. They're designed to damage the economic capacity of anyone China could quickly and easily control. Like sanctioning Belarus only it's proactive instead of reactive.



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The trade imbalance equations don't make any sense when no one come close to the level of consumerism as the United States. In other words, we could be buying more than they literally buy from anyone period.



CosmicSex said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Just to be clear and consistent and not be hypocritical, we all oppose retaliatory tariffs, right?

No we don't oppose it.  You can't just let someone bully you into paying them arbitrarily higher taxes.  The point of imposing retaliatory tariffs is to motivate them to remove theirs.  

They didn't start the fight but they can't just lay down and take it.  You comment is kinda like saying sell defense when your attacked is hypocritical.   

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your question. 

You're not paying the higher taxes, American companies are. If you retaliate then you'll pay more.



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Is the EU gonna tariff all the US LNG they've been importing to replace Russian gas?



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"oh no the dollar is getting weaker so now US exports will become even cheaper just like what China does every single year"



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Pyro as Bill said:

I don't think the tariffs have anything to do with any trade deficit. They're designed to damage the economic capacity of anyone China could quickly and easily control. Like sanctioning Belarus only it's proactive instead of reactive.

How does putting tariffs on uninhabited islands accomplish that?



Pyro as Bill said:

So you'd damage your own economy just to damage your opposition, just like Trump?

"So you'd hurt your fists, just to damage the person attacking you?"

Pyro as Bill said:

I don't think the tariffs have anything to do with any trade deficit. They're designed to damage the economic capacity of anyone China could quickly and easily control. Like sanctioning Belarus only it's proactive instead of reactive.

The tariffs were based on trade deficits.

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"Trump’s new reciprocal tariffs have been calculated by taking the US trade deficit with each country, dividing it by total US imports from that country, then halving the resulting ratio and converting it into a percentage.

For example, in 2024, the US imported approximately US$605.8 billion from the European Union, but exported only $370.2 billion, resulting in a trade deficit of $235.6 billion.

Dividing the deficit by total imports from the EU gives a ratio of 39%. The White House interpreted this figure as the EU’s trade “advantage” and subsequently imposed a “discounted” 20% tariff on EU products – roughly half of 39%."

So putting a tariff on literally everyone? 

Pyro as Bill said:

You're not paying the higher taxes, American companies are. If you retaliate then you'll pay more.

We are paying the higher costs. 

Companies aren't going to let these taxes drive into their profit margins, they're going to extend the costs to us. 

It's a major issue with this kind of taxation scheme. 



TallSilhouette said:
Pyro as Bill said:

I don't think the tariffs have anything to do with any trade deficit. They're designed to damage the economic capacity of anyone China could quickly and easily control. Like sanctioning Belarus only it's proactive instead of reactive.

How does putting tariffs on uninhabited islands accomplish that?

Uninhabited islands have resources that can be exported. They might not have humans permanently stationed there but they'll still be visited and owned by a country that is inhabited and governed and levies tariffs.



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the-pi-guy said:
Pyro as Bill said:

So you'd damage your own economy just to damage your opposition, just like Trump?

"So you'd hurt your fists, just to damage the person attacking you?"

Pyro as Bill said:

I don't think the tariffs have anything to do with any trade deficit. They're designed to damage the economic capacity of anyone China could quickly and easily control. Like sanctioning Belarus only it's proactive instead of reactive.

The tariffs were based on trade deficits.

the conversation

"Trump’s new reciprocal tariffs have been calculated by taking the US trade deficit with each country, dividing it by total US imports from that country, then halving the resulting ratio and converting it into a percentage.

For example, in 2024, the US imported approximately US$605.8 billion from the European Union, but exported only $370.2 billion, resulting in a trade deficit of $235.6 billion.

Dividing the deficit by total imports from the EU gives a ratio of 39%. The White House interpreted this figure as the EU’s trade “advantage” and subsequently imposed a “discounted” 20% tariff on EU products – roughly half of 39%."

So putting a tariff on literally everyone? 

Pyro as Bill said:

You're not paying the higher taxes, American companies are. If you retaliate then you'll pay more.

We are paying the higher costs. 

Companies aren't going to let these taxes drive into their profit margins, they're going to extend the costs to us. 

It's a major issue with this kind of taxation scheme. 

Most companies will absorb some or all of the cost temporarily especially if they believe the tariffs are temporary and then Trump will be a hero when prices drop. If he doesn't remove tariffs then it should be easy for the Dems or a never trump Republican to win the next election.



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Pyro as Bill said:

"oh no the dollar is getting weaker so now US exports will become even cheaper just like what China does every single year"

Some of your responses make me feel like you're just tossing out random ideas and hoping that they're relevant. 

Pyro as Bill said:

Uninhabited islands have resources that can be exported. They might not have humans permanently stationed there but they'll still be visited and owned by a country that is inhabited and governed and levies tariffs.

Why do some of these uninhabited islands have higher tariff rates than the country they are a part of?