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BTW, the Covid-19 virus came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

It did not come from Ft. Detrick, MD as some sources in China were saying back in 2020.

Wuhan lab leak theory: How Fort Detrick became a centre for Chinese conspiracies

"Most Americans may have never heard of Fort Detrick, but it is becoming a household name in China.

Chinese propagandists have pushed a conspiracy suggesting that the Covid-19 coronavirus was made and leaked from the military installation in Frederick, Maryland, about 80 km (50 miles) north of Washington DC.

A rap song by the Chinese nationalist group CD Rev suggesting nefarious plots being hatched by the lab was recently endorsed by Zhao Lijian, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman.

Mr Zhao, who is known for his aggressive style of diplomacy, has played an important role in spreading the "US origin" theory. Several tweets from his account last year first drew wide attention to Fort Detrick. "What's behind the closure of the biolab at Fort Detrick?" he wrote in July 2020, "When will US invite experts to investigate the origin of the virus in US?"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58273322



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BFR said:

BTW, the Covid-19 virus came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

It did not come from Ft. Detrick, MD as some sources in China were saying back in 2020

I have no idea how you think this post is relevant to anyone here. 



We are talking about Covid right? Masks, social distancing, etc...



BFR said:

We are talking about Covid right? Masks, social distancing, etc...

And you think people here might have read some Chinese propaganda that it might have started in the US?



the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

We are talking about Covid right? Masks, social distancing, etc...

And you think people here might have read some Chinese propaganda that it might have started in the US?

Pi, are you kidding me? Way back when C-19 first started, I heard these reports in the news, and it pissed me off that it was taken seriously by some mainstream news media.



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 Pi, when Zhao Lijian, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, blames C19 on the US, I take that allegation seriously.

Edit: "Starting on March 12, 2020, Chinese Foreign Ministry official Zhao Lijian posted several tweets alleging that the coronavirus had in fact originated in the U.S. On March 13, he shared a link to conspiracy website that tied the virus’ apparition to the US Army biological defense laboratory at Fort Detrick in Maryland. Over the course of following months and as recently as December 2020, other officials, including Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying, and Chinese state media repeatedly returned to these baseless allegations."

https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/incident/chinese-officials-claim-that-covid-19-originated-in-us-biological-defense-laboratory/

Edit#2:

Chinese diplomat promotes conspiracy theory that US military brought coronavirus to Wuhan

"A prominent Chinese official has promoted a conspiracy theory that the United States military could have brought the novel coronavirus to China – and it did not originate in the city of Wuhan, as thought.

Posting to his more than 300,000 followers on Twitter, Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian republished a video of Robert Redfield, the director for the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, addressing a US Congressional committee on March 11.

“CDC was caught on the spot. When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!” the Foreign Ministry official said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/asia/china-coronavirus-us-lijian-zhao-intl-hnk/index.html

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crissindahouse said:
JohnVG said:

I'm in support of taking down ALL PRIVATE BIG PHARMA industry, and search about the huge amounts of corruption inside them, returning all its money to the public institutions from they are sucking BILLIONS of money to make CRAP and trying to sell it for its private interests. And Prosecute the criminals directing those private companies, executing them if the law permits it.

My change of opinion about them is caused by the HUGE despise to the public they showed constinuosly during COVID crisis. They seem to HATE the common people: COVID vaccines were insecure, and in some cases, extremely dangerous and most probably killed LOTS of people and saved 0: search about what happened in Europe with Astrazeneca vaccine, killing young people (20-30 year olds) with agressive and bloody brain strokes always around 20-30 days after taking that vaccine, and suffering painfully during those weeks. And this is NOT a fake story.


That vaccine alone created an hysteria and was officially abandoned by some countries after some weeks/months. US never used it, even when they buyed lots of it, precisely because of that precedent.

"Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs."
Congrats on you for being so distasteful: If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals. You are welcome.


Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored. NO private interests there anymore. Health is a HUMAN RIGHT.

Did you just try to tell us that the vaccines saved exactly 0 people and think you should be believed telling us that the vaccines killed so many people? I mean, sure, there will be some who died from it but it still easily saved many more lives as it took.

But why should someone even try to argue with someone who comes up with such a ridiculous claim of "it saved 0 lives around the world". You might have read some studies about how it's not proven because, well, how shall you prove that some specific person would have died otherwise, right? That you can't prove that person XY would have died otherwise doesn't mean that it didn't save lives. You obviously can't prove that someone would definitely die.

And as someone from Germany who very well followed every spike in deaths and hospitalizations in clinics and when they went out of free beds I could very easily see how the vaccines helped to reduce these numbers. I didn't even have to read about anything, I just had to check the numbers and talk to people working in those hospitals.  

I don't fucking know "how many lives" saved those "vaccines", probably NONE, but they were real CRAP and SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THAT.
What really saved BILLIONS of people from the COVID was the natural immunity, the same that saves you from a LOT of illnesses, bacteria and virus every day, like with the normal flu EVERY YEAR. The same normal flu those criminals try to get you vaccinated EVERY YEAR. JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT "MORE MONEEEEEY", as George Carlin would say 30 years ago.

Public money, your MONEY. In their pockets. For doing NOTHING GOOD at all anymore.

Vaccines are useful, WHEN YOU TRY TO DO IT RIGHT. If you do it all wrong, like they did with COVID, vaccines could be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS as any doctor could tell you. Even when you really try to do it right, you maybe will have to retire some new vaccine because unexpected secundary effects on some people. With COVID. that was NOT the case: they implanted ARN vaccines in a MASSIVE way, with no real tests at all, like they themselves, the Big Pharma, recognized in an European Parliament debate. 

And that is what those criminals are doing more and more every day. Like happens in MAAANY other industries: Boeing now is famous for its disastrous airplanes cause they don't give a fuck anymore about the building process of their planes: is not normal to see how the door of a jumbo shoots out in the middle of a flght at 20k feet. But hey, "you are saying all the jumbos do thaaaaat..." No, Imb.... What I'm saying is the ACTUAL people directing the BIG industries in western world, including the PHARMA ones, seem to be just a bunch of drug addicts and squizofrenics, and they do not give a fuck ANYTHING anymore, cause the US politics are totally buyout by CRIMINALS WITH LOTS OF MONEY hyper protecting them. You remember what happened in East Palestine almost 2 years ago? Nobody fucking care about the rail net in US anymore? a colossal ecological disaster in the heart of US, and NOBODY CARES? Those people living there are simply fucked for live.

Those ARN vaccines did not even stopped the pandemic at all! Some people got dozens of those crappy shots and suffered COVID MANY MORE TIMES, and more agressive than MANY others not taking any COVID vaccines at all.


And NO, that is NOT NORMAL: REAL VACCINES WORK when they are well made.
Aztrazeneca killing cases (and lots) WERE REAL.
Moderna vaccine was PURE CRAP: I myself continue to have some problems after getting it one COVID shot of it almost 3 years ago. 
Johnson&Johnson was almost as dangeorus as Aztrazeneca one.


If you don't try to persecute evil billionaires doing billions thanks YOUR PUBLIC MONEY, when at the same time US is paying BILLIONS to MAKE GENOCIDES in Palestine to children and innocent civilians because some repulsive BILLIONAIRE wants to get a new house near the beach, in Gaza, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT ME.

And there are LOOOOTS of trolls and evildoers doing PROPAGANDA ALL DAY ALONG to protect those REPULSIVE PEOPLE who believe they are beyond laws. That happened MANY times in History, and always ends dramatically because people like you defends the indefensible until the very end.



You've mentioned ARN vaccines multiple times now. What is that?



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I think he means RNA, or mRNA, just a guess on my part.



BFR said:

Pi, are you kidding me? Way back when C-19 first started, I heard these reports in the news, and it pissed me off that it was taken seriously by some mainstream news media.

BFR said:

 Pi, when Zhao Lijian, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, blames C19 on the US, I take that allegation seriously.

"By the way, BFR using Nuclear weapons is bad.

What does that have to do with the current conversion, you ask? 

I take it very seriously when Putin threatens them. "

See what I mean?