Could argue differently if this was a one off event.
But Russia has exhibited a consistent pattern of behavior that needs to be nipped at the bud; not compromised with for the at least 4th time.
Could argue differently if this was a one off event.
But Russia has exhibited a consistent pattern of behavior that needs to be nipped at the bud; not compromised with for the at least 4th time.
Iran casually ending any hope for Harris to win Michigan, and thus the election. They’ve got >100k voters protesting the Middle East conflict (see uncommitted voting figures from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Michigan_Democratic_presidential_primary), and a whole lotta Lebanese-Americans who will gladly jump on-board. It’s joever yall, get ready for four more years of Trump.
imagine if I ran for president. Firebush03 on the ticket. Going up against…? Joe Biden? Easily sweep by me. Trump?? Again, easy sweep by me. Kamala Harris? It’s over. But anyone else? Easy sweep! I would just say “This needs to stop!…but I fully support Israel instigating its allies and genociding a minority faction.” and then change nothing when I come into power lol.
firebush03 said: Iran casually ending any hope for Harris to win Michigan, and thus the election. They’ve got >100k voters protesting the Middle East conflict (see uncommitted voting figures from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Michigan_Democratic_presidential_primary), and a whole lotta Lebanese-Americans who will gladly jump on-board. It’s joever yall, get ready for four more years of Trump. |
Hopefully Harris can still win without the swing votes. They won't vote for Trump, so at least it's only half as bad :/ Jill Stein won't stand a chance with the current system, so it's basically not voting...
Biden not putting the brakes on Israel's 'adventurism' is what's costing Harris now. All planned by Netanyahu no doubt. He wants Trump in power, undermining Biden is every way possible.
Biden is not only responsible for setting the ME on fire, he might set the USA on fire as well. The closer the election's outcome, the worse it will be if Trump narowly loses. And much worse if he wins...
firebush03 said: Iran casually ending any hope for Harris to win Michigan, and thus the election. They’ve got >100k voters protesting the Middle East conflict (see uncommitted voting figures from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Michigan_Democratic_presidential_primary), and a whole lotta Lebanese-Americans who will gladly jump on-board. It’s joever yall, get ready for four more years of Trump. |
Those 100k+ voters could afford to do what they did in the primary because it didn't have any negative impact on their cause. But they should be smart enough to realize that abstaining from voting will be an action against their own cause. When presented with only two options, and both of them being bad, you still have the moral obligation to select the less bad one to prevent the worse one from happening. There's no doubt whatsoever about which one is the less bad option here.
That's why your assumptions and conclusions are wrong.
Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.
RolStoppable said:
Those 100k+ voters could afford to do what they did in the primary because it didn't have any negative impact on their cause. But they should be smart enough to realize that abstaining from voting will be an action against their own cause. When presented with only two options, and both of them being bad, you still have the moral obligation to select the less bad one to prevent the worse one from happening. There's no doubt whatsoever about which one is the less bad option here. That's why your assumptions and conclusions are wrong. |
“That’s why your assumptions and conclusions are wrong.” sounds like you are open to discussion, and not just one-sided agreement with your claims lol. In any case, we’ll see if your assertion is or is not correct come November.
What you have to understand, though, is that uncontested voters literally went out of their way to vote against Biden in the primary. They are making a statement: These aren’t ppl looking at which side is the lesser-of-two-evils, these are ppl who are *protesting* a war. If these countries are what you call home (which, in the case of the much of the uncontested voters, they are), you aren’t gonna be focused on damage control. Your people are being executed under the assistance of the party which you would be voting for: You and they have far different voting motives.
Last edited by firebush03 - on 02 October 2024firebush03 said: “That’s why your assumptions and conclusions are wrong.” sounds like you are open to discussion, and not just one-sided agreement with your claims lol. In any case, we’ll see if your assertion is or is not correct come November. What you have to understand, though, is that uncontested voters literally went out of their way to vote against Biden in the primary. They are making a statement: These aren’t ppl looking at which side is the lesser-of-two-evils, these are ppl who are *protesting* a war. If these countries are what you call home (which, in the case of the much of the uncontested voters, they are), you aren’t gonna be focused on damage control. Your people are being executed under the assistance of the party which you would be voting for: You and they have far different voting motives. |
A key part of that is the lack of stakes though. It was not going to change whether Biden was nominated.
They can show that they're opposed to the issue, and not lose out on anything else. Which is not the case with the election.
People that care about woman's rights, trans rights, climate change, etc are still going to show up at election time.
the-pi-guy said:
A key part of that is the lack of stakes though. It was not going to change whether Biden was nominated. They can show that they're opposed to the issue, and not lose out on anything else. Which is not the case with the election. People that care about woman's rights, trans rights, climate change, etc are still going to show up at election time. |
Yes, let's hope most swing votes realize that there is much more at stake.
For Gaza/Lebanon Trump or Harris doesn't really seem to matter much. While Biden/Harris call for ceasefires and restraint, they're actions speak a lot louder. They signed off on another 9 Billion in military aid for Israel just before the Lebanon ground invasion, after the assassinations and pager attacks.
What more can Trump do than what's already happening...
And there is morality at stake. Some people won't vote for either Trump or Harris based on morality. Abstention or protest vote on Jill Stein is also a vote, even though the US' electoral system ignores them. Same as at the primaries.
But yes, there is so much more at stake :/ Even though Trump will further weaken the USA, the way in which that will happen will cause a lot of collateral damage in and outside the USA. Harris at least has a bigger chance of keeping the country together. Trump will drive the USA further apart next to making Russia more dangerous again, letting Ukraine succumb to Russia's war of attrition.
US vice presidential candidates pledge continued support for Israel
US vice presidential candidates Tim Walz and JD Vance have both promised to stand firmly behind Israel, even as experts warn that unconditional US support for the country has led to a widening escalation in the Middle East.
“Israel’s ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental,” Walz, the Democratic candidate, said during a debate against Vance in New York.
The Minnesota governor praised the Biden administration’s “steady leadership” without directly answering a question about whether he would support Israeli attacks on Iranian nuclear infrastructure.
Vance also pledged support for the top US ally, saying that former President Trump’s “maximum pressure” policy towards Iran – which included a bevvy of American sanctions against Tehran – had prevented escalations like the one currently unfolding.
“It is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies, wherever they are, when they are fighting the bad guys,” the Republican VP candidate said when asked whether he would back Israeli strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Not much hope when it comes to the USA. US politics are under total control of Aipac.
Vance lying as usual, none of the sanctions on Iran have been lifted by Biden, instead he has increased sanctions.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-joe-biden-weakening-iran-sanctions/a-68992276
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/04/18/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-iran-sanctions/
Republican lawmakers call for US strikes on Iran
Several Republican officials have called for the US to attack Iran following today’s missile barrage against Israel.
Here are some of their comments:
Good plan, hit oil refineries, good for climate change and gas prices... Bunch of warmongers.
the-pi-guy said:
A key part of that is the lack of stakes though. It was not going to change whether Biden was nominated. They can show that they're opposed to the issue, and not lose out on anything else. Which is not the case with the election. People that care about woman's rights, trans rights, climate change, etc are still going to show up at election time. |
Those ppl who care abt woman’s rights and such will show up, but you have understand that they are far different from the uncontested. To repeat my previous comment, many of these ppl’s family/communities are being slaughtered. Their uncontested registration isn’t just a simple trivial display during the primary, but a demonstration of legitimate leverage as to force one party to side with their cause. (And do you rlly think abortion, trans, etc., is gonna be very appealing to ppl of the Middle East? Their culture is far different than ours…you have to keep this in mind.) As bad as Trump may be, I am whole-heartedly cheering these ppl on to fight for their cause. The DNC needs to change their ways…just tragic that it now comes at the cost of a potential nationwide abortion ban.
Again, we will see in November. No point in arguing speculation. If Harris loses Michigan, you’ll have some words to be eating.