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Ryuu96 on 21 July 2024

  • Newsom - Endorsement.
  • Warren - Endorsement.
  • Shapiro - Endorsement.
  • Pete - Endorsement.

Slight correction, Whitmer hasn't explicitly endorsed Harris yet but she did say she wouldn't run against her.

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Ryuu96 on 21 July 2024

With Newsom, Shapiro, Pete and Warren endorsing Harris and Whitmer reportedly not running against her we're basically 90% there.

All we're waiting on is Bernie to endorse her and we're 100% there.



the-pi-guy on 21 July 2024
Tober said:

Bernie was screwed by the DNC to get Hillary on the ticket.
The DNC bombed this primary to ensure Joe being the nominee with no campaigning, no competition by better candidates.
The DNC lying about Joe for years, exposed by the debate, only then pressuring Joe out.
To keep campaign funds, crowning Harris.

American politics is disgusting, no matter where you sit.

Bernie had an uphill battle the entire time. It's practically a miracle he did as well as he did. Clinton is far better known, had better funding, less controversial as a moderate, etc.

People don't generally want to go up against sitting presidents in an election. 

Harris hasn't been crowned yet. Probably will be, but we still have time. 

Tober said:

I'm Dutch. And I remember very well the POLLS telling the world that Clinton would win by a landslide. How brexit has no chance. I will never trust a POLL ever again and I would recommend to everyone to do the same.

Heck the Democrats convinced Biden not to run in 2016 to give Hillary the white house. Then unexpectedly Berny became a threat to her anointment, so they cheated him out of it by rigging the primary debates. It all fell on their face when Trump won.

And they are doing the same with anointing Harris. History does not repeat, but it rhymes. They should have an open convention to get the strongest candidate. Because Harris isn't it.

ps. Sorry about the remark of your age.

It wasn't a landslide. The 70+% chances everyone was talking about was based on like a 3% win. 



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Ryuu96 on 21 July 2024

This is going fast, Lol.

Harris uniting the party. 👀



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sundin13 on 21 July 2024
Tober said:
Ryuu96 said:

Apology accepted, then I am sorry about criticising your spelling.

But you seem wrong about your comment on Hillary's polls according to Sundin. I can't say, I wasn't tracking every single one, in fact I was barely paying attention to that election. But I can't recall many polls saying "Brexit has no chance" and I'm British, Lol.

Here's a compilation of BREXIT's polls - EU Referendum Poll of Polls - Financial Times

So it doesn't seem polls were as off as you're claiming on an overall average, especially with the end result being as close as it was, many of those polls are close, with a lot of undecideds to sway things in either direction.

Hillary won the popular vote and IIRC lost by about 80,000 votes. She really didn't lose by much. No, they didn't "rig" the debates, Bernie lost plain and simple and Bernie fans (which I'm one) need to get over it, Bernie did. They do an open convention, Harris will win it, it's a waste of time.

It is well known, that during the primary debates between Hillary and Berny, the DNC coordinated the debate questions with the Hillary camp to give her an advantage. It's the reason that the then DNC chair Dona Brazile had to step down after this was revealed later on.

Some references:

https://observer.com/2017/03/donna-brazile-admits-primaries-rigged-for-hillary-clinton/

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/donna-brazile-2016-primary/index.html

About Clinton's chances of winning in 2016, Reuters put her at 90%

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/clinton-has-90-percent-chance-of-winning-reutersipsos-states-of-the-nation-idUSKBN1322J0/

New York Times had her at 85%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

I'm not looking to relitigate the 2016 election (jesus people, it's been almost a decade. Move on), but on the subject of polls real quick, poll aggregator 538 gave Clinton a 3.6 point lead (which is close to the typical poll margin of error) and RCP (another poll aggregator) gave her a 3.2 point lead. The final result gave Clinton a 2.1 point lead. 

The polls really weren't as far off as a lot of people tend to believe. 



SvennoJ on 21 July 2024
zorg1000 said:
SvennoJ said:

History books are not just about the USA...

Good point, being a US politics thread I assumed we were talking about from the perspective of US voters.

LurkerJ said:

Seen as a small part by whom? the ignorant and bigots? History is NOT in the eye of the beholder. 

Biden has exceeded expectations on domestic policies, it doesn't mean things can't get better. Like SvennoJ, I hope Harris does better too, there is a change to recalibrate and do the right thing here. 

The general US public. But you’re right that it’s probably the aspect of his presidency that deserves the most criticism and hopefully Kamala does better.

She already does better, severely diminishing the chances Trump will run away with the elections. Swing state votes lost because of #NeverBiden can safely vote for Harris. For that I'm very grateful to Biden for doing the right thing, albeit late and leaving a big mess in the ME.

It's pretty exciting for the possibility of Kamala Harris to become the first elected female president of the US. She stands a much better chance than Biden, especially against a pussy grabbing convicted felon.



Pemalite on 22 July 2024

We just need Trump to drop out... And a competent Republican to run... Then this election will be worthy of the US people and the world.
...But that is wishful thinking that someone like Trump would ever drop out of the race, despite being a perverted convicted criminal.

From the Aussie point of view... If Harris gets elected, I would hope we as a nation form stronger ties with stronger trade relations as our values and ideals would be closely aligned.
..If Trump gets elected, I hope for less ties... And maybe demand the USA pay for the privilege of our partnership, they need us more than we need them, especially if they intend to counter China and other threats in the Pacific.
And considering we export a stupidly massive amount of minerals... Charge the USA more for our resources via higher export tariffs.



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