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Machiavellian said:
SvennoJ said:

Oh I'm well aware.

It's a choice between a slower genocide and a faster one including annexation of the West Bank.
Between a slightly hesitant puppet and one that idolizes the puppet master.

It's up to Europe and the Global South to step up as Netanyahu and Aipac have the USA by their rapidly shrinking balls.

The USA doesn't care about international law. The US still hasn't paid reparations to Nicuragua as ordered by the ICJ in 1986 instead the USA withdrew from the ICJ in 1985 when they saw an unfavorable outcome coming. And again or rather further under Trump "The Trump administration on Wednesday pulled out of two international agreements after Iran and the Palestinians complained to the International Court of Justice about U.S. policies, the latest withdrawal by Washington from multilateral accords."

And yes Harris is just a slightly more hesitant puppet than Biden.


Maybe Trump in office will quicken the demise of the US as a disruptive world power and healing can start a bit sooner.

You can keep hope alive but it takes way more than just the President to demise the US.  People continue to forget that the President only represent 1/3 of the federal government and even still his powers are well defined and limited.  Even his EO orders can be contested in court, and most are even hard to implement or find funding in certain situations.  So no, one president isn't going to be much impact outside of the 4 years of their term.  No matter what, what is happening in the west bank will remain their issues unless they can get support from way more countries that can impact Isarael outside of the US.  

The US has never cared about International law unless they are enforcing it.  Neither Biden or Harris are puppets, its just not an issue the US as a whole cares enough about to be something political motivated outside of the current status.

I don't know why keep you saying the president doesn't have an impact outside of their terms when it's clearly a wrong statement to make. With all due respect man, you've said numerous times and it's been clarified to you that is not the case, how did women get denied abortion during a Biden presidency?

Also, a good chunk of politicians are puppets, it's not 2016 anymore, read and you find out, sources are plenty including MSM. 

You say it's not an issue the US cares about, but if this was the case, the statement would cut both ways, i.e., politicians wouldn't be doing anything to stop the genocide but more importantly, wouldn't be doing anything fund it with weapons, money and political protection at organisation like the UN etc. But you know very well it's American bombs that are slaughtering children, please spare me the attempts to absolve "your side" from what is clearly a human tragedy funded by our taxes. 



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Ryuu96 said:

My theory on Bernie and AOC's support is that they know their voice has absolutely zero influence on Biden staying in the race or not but by publicly supporting Biden, they're showing to Biden (and other moderates) they will stick by them when things get tough, if Biden remains in the race (and wins) then he will remember that and be more likely to listen to them (and they will push their policies) or even if Biden steps down, Harris will likely have appreciated their support too.

AOC and Bernie's voice doesn't mean a thing in terms of convincing Biden to step down, but while they show support to the Biden ticket, people like Pelosi, Hakeem and Schumer, with actual power and influence to force Biden off the ticket, can do so, Bernie and AOC don't have much to lose by supporting Biden remaining on the ticket and probably have more to gain by doing so.

My theory is that they like how progressive he is in relative to the rest of the party.

I am personally gutted a second Biden term is such a distant possibility now, I had no idea I'd be saying this when he was first elected but the last 4 years has definitely shown that he's not been a continuation of previous Democratic presidents and has changed course on many issues, including foreign policy. Despite of Gaza, I still think other foreign policies and attempts were better than his predecessors like pulling out of Afghanistan and attempting to discipline the gulf monarchs (that didn't work out well but this is less about he's tried and more about where the world is right now). 

I can only hope if the dems win without Biden, the internal policies will continue to include a mix left/progressive policies. 

Last edited by LurkerJ - on 19 July 2024

AOC's perspective/reasoning. 



If she's right about Democrats wanting to remove Harris too then Democrats are the biggest fucking idiots alive.

This is why I said earlier, people should be saying "Biden should drop out AND Harris should take over"

But they've just been going "DROP OUT BIDEN" without a clear message for what comes after.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 19 July 2024



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Machiavellian said:
SvennoJ said:

Oh I'm well aware.

It's a choice between a slower genocide and a faster one including annexation of the West Bank.
Between a slightly hesitant puppet and one that idolizes the puppet master.

It's up to Europe and the Global South to step up as Netanyahu and Aipac have the USA by their rapidly shrinking balls.

The USA doesn't care about international law. The US still hasn't paid reparations to Nicuragua as ordered by the ICJ in 1986 instead the USA withdrew from the ICJ in 1985 when they saw an unfavorable outcome coming. And again or rather further under Trump "The Trump administration on Wednesday pulled out of two international agreements after Iran and the Palestinians complained to the International Court of Justice about U.S. policies, the latest withdrawal by Washington from multilateral accords."

And yes Harris is just a slightly more hesitant puppet than Biden.


Maybe Trump in office will quicken the demise of the US as a disruptive world power and healing can start a bit sooner.

You can keep hope alive but it takes way more than just the President to demise the US.  People continue to forget that the President only represent 1/3 of the federal government and even still his powers are well defined and limited.  Even his EO orders can be contested in court, and most are even hard to implement or find funding in certain situations.  So no, one president isn't going to be much impact outside of the 4 years of their term.  No matter what, what is happening in the west bank will remain their issues unless they can get support from way more countries that can impact Isarael outside of the US.  

The US has never cared about International law unless they are enforcing it.  Neither Biden or Harris are puppets, its just not an issue the US as a whole cares enough about to be something political motivated outside of the current status.

I'm not hoping for the demise of the US, just for US' influence on the rest of the world to diminish. Which is already happening with the Global South, parts of Asia, ME moving to BRICS.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/how-would-new-brics-currency-affect-us-dollar-updated-2024

Trump shows Europe can't keep relying on the US "to do the right thing", a lot of the rest of the world has already come to that conclusion.


It's also not that Palestinians can't get support from way more countries, the main obstacle is the US blocking most if not all efforts to solve the conflict. And Trump has only been making it worse with the Abraham accords. A big reason why Arab nations aren't supporting a Palestinian state, addicted to US dollars and military support. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/abraham-accords-peace-middle-east/

The US is only interested in division, while China is actively brokering deals between Saudi-Arabia and Iran to find a path to peace in the ME.
https://gjia.georgetown.edu/2023/06/23/saudi-iran-deal-a-test-case-of-chinas-role-as-an-international-mediator/

The US as a whole not caring about what's done in their name is exactly the issue.



There we go, Warren showing how it's done.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 20 July 2024

To Harris...Pass the torch TO HARRIS.

Why is it so hard to just say Harris for some of them, Lol.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 July 2024

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Biden could have lost the re-election and went down as one of the most hated presidents of all time for refusing to step down. He has done the right thing here, no matter what happens he has chosen the selfless option and if Democrats win in November, Biden will be a hero to his party, history will look kindly on him even if they don't win I feel, few leaders would make this same choice. I'm not particularly thrilled it wasn't done as an address to the nation and he hasn't endorsed Harris (yet) but I'll give him a chance to fix that, as he says he will speak to the Nation later this week.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 July 2024