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the-pi-guy said:

There are some questions on whether the $15 was even from the same person. 

Could the voter registration also be brought into question because of this? I'm not sure how verified any of this information is. 

EDIT: I looked him up on the PA Voter Registration database. The voter registration is accurate (same name, DOB and zip code where he is reported to have lived), so it could not be mixed up with an older man. 

EDIT2: I have some real doubts about the accuracy of that tweet... The zip code related to the donation is in Bethel Park (where the shooter lived), which isn't really near Cranberry (where the 69 year old lived). Seems like the guy just looked up the name, saw someone else had the same name and then just blindly assumed it must have been this other guy...

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Ryuu96 said:

Josh Shapiro seems great, I'd be interested in him running in 2028 (or 2032 if Harris takes over from Biden) Shame his name always reminds me of the other Shapiro twat. Josh Shapiro, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear should all run. Would like to see Raphael Warnock and Mark Kelly on the debate stage too.

Sad that it was a firefighter, not surprised he instinctively tried to cover and shield the family from harm.
Firefighters never die, they just burn forever in the hearts of the people whose lives they saved, he can finally hang his helmet up as his shift is done.

Leynos said:

...High school rifle club. I live in the US and never even heard of this. WTF.

Nothing screams "Murica" more than a high-school rifle club.

Gun Control... It actually works... Sadly the culture surrounding guns in America will always make it an impossible pipe dream.



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Jimbo1337 said:
Ryuu96 said:

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Please provide your vgchartz post where you explicitly mentioned that this shooter donated to the Progressive Turnout Project. I searched through your previous posts and couldn't find it. I'm asking for this because I want the facts to be laid out for all to see.

This Post - "Donated to Democrats then registered as Republican"

Voting against Republican Senators and Republican House of Representatives is a vote against Trump and the Trump MAGA movement. It would be intellectually dishonest to suggest that the Republicans running today don't support this MAGA movement. 

Okay, but you have no proof that he voted against Republican Senators or House of Reps still.

Also, he isn't a running Republican, so that's irrelevant (and also incorrect to claim that all running Republicans support the MAGA movement). This dude is a voter and there are many people who classify themselves as Republican but hate the MAGA movement, have some of this very website, have a few prominent Republican politicians both former and current (Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Susan Collins). There were literally thousands of Republicans protest voting against Trump for Nikki Haley. Not to mention there is even sometimes conflict between the lunatics from Nick Fuente's camp who believe that Trump isn't extreme enough! There are Republicans upset at Trump publicly denouncing Project 2025.

It is strong evidence because he donated to PTP FOURTEEN DAYS after January 6th.

Yeah...He donated $15 after a violent attempted insurrection then registered as a Republican 8 months later.

Your entire scenario is based on this being a mass shooting. 

Correct. And you're claiming it's not an attempted mass shooting because...? He failed to kill more than 3 people? Well Trump was attempted murder, 1 is dead and 2 are critically wounded so there you go, by your own definition it would be an attempted mass shooting. He was attempting to kill people in a populated area.

The entire news media is labeling this event as an assassination on a former president.

And I agree with that labelling, it was clearly an assassination attempt.

Words matter. Stop trying to tie this to previous mass shooting events when the definition doesn't fit the scenario. Those previous mass shooting events didn't have a political motive. I would say that trying to assassinate a former president who is a "danger to democracy" is politically motivated.

If you want to try to trip me up on semantics then fine, I'll say it's a dude at the end of his tether and wanted to go out with a bang, firing into a crowded area and against Donald Trump is certainly that, again that is my theory based on the evidence presented and I will say once again, your theory that he is a progressive extremist who was planning on voting against Republicans is NOT a fact as much as you want it to be.

A lot of shootings in America don't have a political motive, I think it's just as likely that this one doesn't and the dude just wanted to go out with a bang, as most shooters do, they know they aren't surviving, they know they're going to die, they want to inflict as much damage as possible before that time comes. If this dude was genuinely bullied, a loner, isolated, then it's equally as likely he went down some dark rabbit holes which fed his dark thoughts and resulted in what happened because it happens all the damn time in America, except this time it wasn't a school being shot up, it was a former President.

Other users do not agree with you. The more I point out your fallacies the more it is apparent that your made up scenario falls apart.

Other users don't agree with you too, see how easy I can say the same?

Mine's a theory, yours is a theory, here are the facts, I'll repeat them again.

  • He donated $15 to a Dem initiative in 2021.
  • He registered as Republican 8 months later (around the age of 17-18).
  • He was bullied according to former classmates, a bit of a loner, with an interest in guns.
  • He was killed wearing a shirt of a pro-gun/right wing Youtuber channel.
  • He didn't express any political stances in school, offer any criticism of Trump.
  • Discord didn't find anything suggesting a political motive in his Discord account either.
  • No manifesto has yet been found.

I believe he's a broken guy pushed to the brink like so many Americans and did something disgusting. You believe he's a secret Democrat agent who made a multi-year long-term plan in 2021 at the ripe age of 17 only to then be like "Fuck the plan I'm going to get myself killed" Fine...You might be right, he's clearly not a mentally stable person, but your stance is also NOT fact.

Only one dude here is desperately trying to pin this on the other political party and it is you, I'm actually being somewhat kind to the Republicans here, I could EASILY make the case that cause he's a registered Republican, he's clearly a Republican jaded with the current direction of the party and that is what set him off...But I'm not.

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sundin13 said:
Jimbo1337 said:

The shooter therefore thought that Trump is a threat to American Democracy. Since he tried to kill Trump, the timing of his donation, and who he donate his money to, he is a radical progressive democrat by definition. That's the evidence we have. No made up scenario like you did. Just the facts.

Radical progressives aren't the only ones who dislike trump. There's an issue with your logic there. Based on the evidence, I would personally guess anti-government libertarian? I honestly don't know though (and I'm not sure how much it actually matters). 

His father was registered Libertarian FWIW.

Mother a Democrat.



Zkuq said:
Jimbo1337 said:

Other users do not agree with you. The more I point out your fallacies the more it is apparent that your made up scenario falls apart. 

Excuse me? I'm not going to intervene in your discussion otherwise, but this is clearly and verifiably false, judging by the few signs there are. In this thread and the assassination thread, in the posts between you and Ryuu, yours have no likes, whereas Ryuu's have a notable amount (on this site's scale), and the only other response I could very quickly find to your messages is pointing out a logical fallacy in your reasoning (see sundin's message in this thread). Can you provide support for your claim of agreement from other users that I might have missed?

Also, I haven't read the discussion between you and Ryuu very carefully, so pardon me if I missed something, but the only logical fallacy I've seen is from you (again, see sundin's post).

Fair. If you are going to nitpick one sentence out of my entire post, then fine. Upvotes don't indicate what is the truth. 

Here are the facts:

The shooter donated $15 dollars to the Progressive Turnout Project on January 20, 2021. He made this donation fourteen days after January 6th, which was a danger to democracy. The timing of this donation indicates how this person felt about January 6th.

The shooter was a registered republican in the state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is 1 out of 10 states that is a closed primary. That means only voters who are registered to a major party may participate in its primary election. (Registering as a Republican to vote against the MAGA movement).

He is part of an age group that is statistically more ideologically progressive. I am pointing out his age because we aren't talking about a 60 year old person where, statistically speaking, is more conservative. 

Since it was brought up, I would like to address Sundin's post:

I acknowledge that it is plausible that this person could have been a republican anti-trumper. However, if that were the case, then he would have made that $15 small dollar donation to the Lincoln Project, which is "founded by former Republican strategists who understand the grave threat of Trumpism to our nation..."  Source: https://lincolnproject.us/#:~:text=Founded%20by%20former%20Republican%20strategists,from%20across%20the%20political%20spectrum.

But the shooter DIDN'T put that donation towards the Lincoln Project or similar republican anti-trump movement. I would also like to highlight that the Lincoln Project was founded in December 2019, which gave the shooter the opportunity to give that donation during the same timeline that he gave it to the Progressive Turnout Project on Jan 20, 2021. This is an indicator that this shooter was not a republican anti-trumper because he didn't donate to any republican movement. The shooter clearly wanted to turnout the progressive candidates based on the Project's name: Progressive Turnout Project.

When you add up his age, his donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, didn't like Trump (tried to assassinate him), and the fact that this was a closed primary, indicates that the shooter was likely a radical progressive democrat. Radical because he shot at a former president. Progressive because he didn't donate to a republican anti-trump group, but rather a progressive project.



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Jimbo1337 said:

I acknowledge that it is plausible that this person could have been a republican anti-trumper. However, if that were the case, then he would have made that $15 small dollar donation to the Lincoln Project, which is "founded by former Republican strategists who understand the grave threat of Trumpism to our nation..."  Source: https://lincolnproject.us/#:~:text=Founded%20by%20former%20Republican%20strategists,from%20across%20the%20political%20spectrum.

But the shooter DIDN'T put that donation towards the Lincoln Project or similar republican anti-trump movement. I would also like to highlight that the Lincoln Project was founded in December 2019, which gave the shooter the opportunity to give that donation during the same timeline that he gave it to the Progressive Turnout Project on Jan 20, 2021. This is an indicator that this shooter was not a republican anti-trumper because he didn't donate to any republican movement. The shooter clearly wanted to turnout the progressive candidates based on the Project's name: Progressive Turnout Project.

When you add up his age, his donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, didn't like Trump (tried to assassinate him), and the fact that this was a closed primary, indicates that the shooter was likely a radical progressive democrat. Radical because he shot at a former president. Progressive because he didn't donate to a republican anti-trump group, but rather a progressive project.

"he would have made that $15 small dollar donation to the Lincoln Project" is a hell of an assumption. Sure, maybe he would have? Or maybe he saw an ad for one on TV, or his mom mentioned it to him, or he saw a post on reddit. I don't know why he chose that specific thing to donate to. Neither do you...



the-pi-guy said:
Jimbo1337 said:

You cited incomplete information. He is registered as a Republican but donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project according to the New York Times:

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks.html

"The gunman did not have a criminal history reflected in Pennsylvania’s public court records, and officials said they had not identified a motive. A voter-registration record showed Mr. Crooks’s Republican registration, though federal campaign-finance records show he donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project, a liberal voter turnout group, through the Democratic donation platform ActBlue in January 2021."

Based on the presented evidence, he was a radical progressive Democrat signed up as a Republican to vote against Donald Trump during the 2024 primary. Please try to be more accurate and not intentionally leave out information in the future. 

I guess trying to assassinate the former president means you have "no political agenda" these days. 

Or he changed politics. 

It's extremely common for people of that age to have more drastic changes in politics. I had the opposite change. I was much more conservative when I was 17. 

Yeah, like I said, I was pro-Brexit once but I quickly then became anti-Brexit, I had a very quick change in view after almost being sucked in by some arguments...I hate to say it, I hate the fucker nowadays (Farage) but some of his arguments did sway me back then, the whole NHS stuff, EU being "in control" of the UK...I was sucked in a little.

My political views were rapidly forming different shapes as I went through my late teens, I'd say it's in part thanks to the friends I've met that have quickly changed my views on some things, on the other side I've seen people within the span of a year (as adults) go in a completely different direction to what they once were before, antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist, all that stuff.

It happens to even adults, in a quick period, so it's definitely plausible that a lonely 17 year old was swayed in a certain political direction in order to feel like he fits in, it happens literally all the time and I'm not saying this about Republicans but it also happens with extremists, a guy can be one minute having harmless views but they're lonely, isolated, then the extremist gets their claws into them, makes them feel like they belong to something, they feed off their loneliness and then in a rapid amount of time, this dude is unrecognisable.

Andrew Tate is great at poisoning the minds of young men for example.

So yeah, it's very plausible that someone can change their political view in slightly less than a year, especially at that age and especially if they're lonely.

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Jimbo1337 said:
Zkuq said:

Excuse me? I'm not going to intervene in your discussion otherwise, but this is clearly and verifiably false, judging by the few signs there are. In this thread and the assassination thread, in the posts between you and Ryuu, yours have no likes, whereas Ryuu's have a notable amount (on this site's scale), and the only other response I could very quickly find to your messages is pointing out a logical fallacy in your reasoning (see sundin's message in this thread). Can you provide support for your claim of agreement from other users that I might have missed?

Also, I haven't read the discussion between you and Ryuu very carefully, so pardon me if I missed something, but the only logical fallacy I've seen is from you (again, see sundin's post).

Fair. If you are going to nitpick one sentence out of my entire post, then fine. Upvotes don't indicate what is the truth. 

Here are the facts:

The shooter donated $15 dollars to the Progressive Turnout Project on January 20, 2021. He made this donation fourteen days after January 6th, which was a danger to democracy. The timing of this donation indicates how this person felt about January 6th.

The shooter was a registered republican in the state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is 1 out of 10 states that is a closed primary. That means only voters who are registered to a major party may participate in its primary election. (Registering as a Republican to vote against the MAGA movement).

He is part of an age group that is statistically more ideologically progressive. I am pointing out his age because we aren't talking about a 60 year old person where, statistically speaking, is more conservative. 

Since it was brought up, I would like to address Sundin's post:

I acknowledge that it is plausible that this person could have been a republican anti-trumper. However, if that were the case, then he would have made that $15 small dollar donation to the Lincoln Project, which is "founded by former Republican strategists who understand the grave threat of Trumpism to our nation..."  Source: https://lincolnproject.us/#:~:text=Founded%20by%20former%20Republican%20strategists,from%20across%20the%20political%20spectrum.

But the shooter DIDN'T put that donation towards the Lincoln Project or similar republican anti-trump movement. I would also like to highlight that the Lincoln Project was founded in December 2019, which gave the shooter the opportunity to give that donation during the same timeline that he gave it to the Progressive Turnout Project on Jan 20, 2021. This is an indicator that this shooter was not a republican anti-trumper because he didn't donate to any republican movement. The shooter clearly wanted to turnout the progressive candidates based on the Project's name: Progressive Turnout Project.

When you add up his age, his donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, didn't like Trump (tried to assassinate him), and the fact that this was a closed primary, indicates that the shooter was likely a radical progressive democrat. Radical because he shot at a former president. Progressive because he didn't donate to a republican anti-trump group, but rather a progressive project.

The shooter donated $15 dollars to the Progressive Turnout Project on January 20, 2021. He made this donation fourteen days after January 6th, which was a danger to democracy. The timing of this donation indicates how this person felt about January 6th.

Many Republicans were unhappy about January 6th. 

The shooter was a registered republican in the state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is 1 out of 10 states that is a closed primary. That means only voters who are registered to a major party may participate in its primary election. (Registering as a Republican to vote against the MAGA movement).

Or...He could be a Republican voting against the MAGA movement, like thousands of Nikki Haley's voters, or Republicans in this very forum who are voting Democrat because they don't like the MAGA movement, or Republicans currently in congress who have said they won't vote Donald Trump or Republicans who have left Congress who have publicly condemned Donald Trump.

He is part of an age group that is statistically more ideologically progressive. I am pointing out his age because we aren't talking about a 60 year old person where, statistically speaking, is more conservative. 

Statistics aren't a fact on a individual, meaning just because "statistically" his age group is more progressive, doesn't mean it's a fact that he is. Also Trump's been gaining quite a bit with the youth voter according to recent polls, it's not cut and dry.

It's possible that he was a Democrat...Then switched to Republican, not sure why that is so hard for you to believe. I don't think anyone is really saying he was always Republican, I'm certainly not, I'm saying it's plausible he switched to being a Republican.

When you add up his age, his donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, didn't like Trump (tried to assassinate him), and the fact that this was a closed primary, indicates that the shooter was likely a radical progressive democrat. Radical because he shot at a former president. Progressive because he didn't donate to a republican anti-trump group, but rather a progressive project.

Still not a fact.



sundin13 said:

"he would have made that $15 small dollar donation to the Lincoln Project" is a hell of an assumption. Sure, maybe he would have? Or maybe he saw an ad for one on TV, or his mom mentioned it to him, or he saw a post on reddit. I don't know why he chose that specific thing to donate to. Neither do you...

People make donations to things they support. They don't just blindly make a donation because they feel like it. If that were the case, that would destroy Bernie Sanders entire campaign message, which I would point out was run very well. Bernie would constantly point out that the average campaign contribution was $27, which suggested the large base of support from your average every-day American citizen. 

This all started because of what Ryuu suggested:
Non political - WRONG. He shot at a former president

Mass shooting - WRONG. Media says this was an assassination attempt. 

My narrative is created based on indicators that I previously laid out. Ryuu's narrative is based on manufactured information and then attempts to tie this back to previous mass shootings. 



Ryuu96 said:
Jimbo1337 said:

Fair. If you are going to nitpick one sentence out of my entire post, then fine. Upvotes don't indicate what is the truth. 

Here are the facts:

The shooter donated $15 dollars to the Progressive Turnout Project on January 20, 2021. He made this donation fourteen days after January 6th, which was a danger to democracy. The timing of this donation indicates how this person felt about January 6th.

The shooter was a registered republican in the state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is 1 out of 10 states that is a closed primary. That means only voters who are registered to a major party may participate in its primary election. (Registering as a Republican to vote against the MAGA movement).

He is part of an age group that is statistically more ideologically progressive. I am pointing out his age because we aren't talking about a 60 year old person where, statistically speaking, is more conservative. 

Since it was brought up, I would like to address Sundin's post:

I acknowledge that it is plausible that this person could have been a republican anti-trumper. However, if that were the case, then he would have made that $15 small dollar donation to the Lincoln Project, which is "founded by former Republican strategists who understand the grave threat of Trumpism to our nation..."  Source: https://lincolnproject.us/#:~:text=Founded%20by%20former%20Republican%20strategists,from%20across%20the%20political%20spectrum.

But the shooter DIDN'T put that donation towards the Lincoln Project or similar republican anti-trump movement. I would also like to highlight that the Lincoln Project was founded in December 2019, which gave the shooter the opportunity to give that donation during the same timeline that he gave it to the Progressive Turnout Project on Jan 20, 2021. This is an indicator that this shooter was not a republican anti-trumper because he didn't donate to any republican movement. The shooter clearly wanted to turnout the progressive candidates based on the Project's name: Progressive Turnout Project.

When you add up his age, his donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, didn't like Trump (tried to assassinate him), and the fact that this was a closed primary, indicates that the shooter was likely a radical progressive democrat. Radical because he shot at a former president. Progressive because he didn't donate to a republican anti-trump group, but rather a progressive project.

The shooter donated $15 dollars to the Progressive Turnout Project on January 20, 2021. He made this donation fourteen days after January 6th, which was a danger to democracy. The timing of this donation indicates how this person felt about January 6th.

Many Republicans were unhappy about January 6th. 

The shooter was a registered republican in the state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is 1 out of 10 states that is a closed primary. That means only voters who are registered to a major party may participate in its primary election. (Registering as a Republican to vote against the MAGA movement).

Or...He could be a Republican voting against the MAGA movement, like thousands of Nikki Haley's voters, or Republicans in this very forum who are voting Democrat because they don't like the MAGA movement, or Republicans currently in congress who have said they won't vote Donald Trump or Republicans who have left Congress who have publicly condemned Donald Trump.

He is part of an age group that is statistically more ideologically progressive. I am pointing out his age because we aren't talking about a 60 year old person where, statistically speaking, is more conservative. 

Statistics aren't a fact on a individual, meaning just because "statistically" his age group is more progressive, doesn't mean it's a fact that he is. Also Trump's been gaining quite a bit with the youth voter according to recent polls, it's not cut and dry.

It's possible that he was a Democrat...Then switched to Republican, not sure why that is so hard for you to believe. I don't think anyone is really saying he was always Republican, I'm certainly not, I'm saying it's plausible he switched to being a Republican.

When you add up his age, his donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, didn't like Trump (tried to assassinate him), and the fact that this was a closed primary, indicates that the shooter was likely a radical progressive democrat. Radical because he shot at a former president. Progressive because he didn't donate to a republican anti-trump group, but rather a progressive project.

Still not a fact.

I see you left out the Lincoln Project comment because it undermines the suggestion or plausible case that the shooter was an anti-trump republican.