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Machiavellian said:
Ryuu96 said:

Forgot how much exactly but when I saw someone post it in the Era thread it was a lot from what I remember, talking billions and it would be repeated fines until compliance. If Microsoft ignores the CMA and goes ahead then they would be fined by the UK and barred from operating and doing business in the UK at all, not just Activision-Blizzard/Xbox but the entire Microsoft business. CMA has the power to impose fines or bar companies from doing business if regulatory actions are ignored.

I feel sorry for you Ryuu, you are going to have to purchase a PS5 because MS is leaving the market.  Oh well, its not that bad on the Blue side of the street.

Another L for BREXIT!

Has 0% chance of happening though.

Microsoft is all talk, days after their "LONDON IS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS" rant they invested millions into a London based AI start-up, Lmao.



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Barozi said:
Ryuu96 said:

Forgot how much exactly but when I saw someone post it in the Era thread it was a lot from what I remember, talking billions and it would be repeated fines until compliance. If Microsoft ignores the CMA and goes ahead then they would be fined by the UK and barred from operating and doing business in the UK at all, not just Activision-Blizzard/Xbox but the entire Microsoft business. CMA has the power to impose fines or bar companies from doing business if regulatory actions are ignored.

If the UK is anything like Germany, any kind of public administration no matter if regional or governmental use Windows. There's no way the UK would deny Microsoft doing business there. It would hurt the UK at least as hard as Brexit.

No more Windows updates means any data stored on these PCs would be up for grabs. Russian and Chinese hackers would love that. As a result the UK would have to switch to other OS which would not only cost them billions but also completely paralyze the whole public sector for months if not longer in the process.

Yup Yup. True.

NHS is literally ran on ancient Windows Software, Lol.

They'd probably carefully narrow it down, like, no Gaming business, no Surface business, no Consumer business, etc. But keep the essentials (Windows for NHS, Governments, etc) because that stuff is a matter of national security.

But then also levy the massive fines onto them.

Don't imagine it would be too hard for the CMA to make an exception to their law that right, no consumer business is allowed for you anymore Microsoft but you can still operate the business side of things for national security reasons.

Because bearing in mind, the UK Gov can only intervene against the CMA if it's a matter of national security so if the CMA did bar all business from Microsoft then yes, the Gov would step in and tell them to stop being twats, but I doubt they'd care if they target only Gaming/Surface, etc.

Point being that CMA has the power to bar a business in its entirety so not a stretch to assume they can do it in parts too.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 19 May 2023

I also thought ringfencing was an option but Tom Warren of TheVerge was adamant that it isn't and posted in the ResetEra thread specifically to shoot down that suggestion, so, Lol.





PowerWash Simulator getting a SpongBob crossover DLC that ……. Adds new achievements… DAMMIT.



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No whinge from the CMA really makes it look like they only came after EC due to BREXIT 💀💀💀😂

"WE LEFT EU! WE KNOW BETTER THAN EU! WE DON'T REGRET IT! SHUT UP EU"

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VersusEvil said:

PowerWash Simulator getting a SpongBob crossover DLC that ……. Adds new achievements… DAMMIT.

lol i saw that... might have to play it now

Last edited by ice - on 19 May 2023

I've been reading a little more about the CMA decision to know what is their definition of the "cloud gaming market". and they seem to literally mix Cloud streaming and subscription-based content library together either conveniently or by lack of actually thinking things through. 

There are essentially 2 distinct business models with the cloud;

  1. Cloud streaming as a service for your own game BYOG.
  2. subscription-based content library service to which distribution can be achieved through:
    1. Cloud streaming
    2. Download and install on hardware
    3. a mix of both

There are no other distinct options but they can be mixed together to form a hybrid offering. (An actor having its own store and cloud streaming its content will fall in #1 in regards to the cloud service)

The CMA fails to distinguish between the 2 sufficiently IMO. Only number 1 can be considered its own cloud market, for number 2 cloud is only an optional feature/mean of distributing said subscription service content.

What the CMA conclusion Are:

Regarding number 1: MS is not actually competing in this category directly. The only concern here is the assumption that MS could eventually propose Xcoud as a standalone service and leverage its content. Some passages of the CMA decision allude to this exactly. All MS remedies propositions are actually more than enough to resolve any issue with this specific market and the CMA actually attests to this by signaling that the remedies were actually disregarded due to other business models (no 2).

This is also where the EU has highlighted the necessity for remedies.

Regarding 2: The CMA has no issue,  as they would actually need to provide an SLC for the Subscription base game library market which they themselves do not view as a separate market but a simple distribution medium.

The EU also has come to the same conclusion on this. no SLC for this market or no market by itself

So where are the CMA issues if they both agree:

By deduction, the CMA concern rises solely because an actor can limit itself to 2 with option 2.1 (subscription-based content library with cloud streaming as the only delivery method). but here's the issue, this market does not actually exist and even if it would, it should be actually resolved by either the remedies proposed to address number 1 or the actual non-issue found by the CMA for the whole number 2.

In this reasoning, the CMA fails to assess/mention:

  • Why do they think an actor solely doing 2.1 cannot change to doing  2.3 at any time which would be making any MS concession/remedies for it at risk of making said concession for a market the CMA themselves evaluated at no risk of SLC? 
  • They also fail to assess why an entity doing solely 2.1 should be of MS concern as it is a decision that solely arises as a business decision of that particular actor and no content actually exist that would force an actor into this model.
    • If said content is eventually made, the merger does not provide an advantage to MS as said content needs to be built from scratch which de facto places anyone on equal footing.
    • Ms also have only limited incentive to produce such content that would not synergize with their console offering.
  • Currents popular ABK franchises cannot be changed to cater to this model specifically without drastically reducing its pool of users thus creating only very limited added appeal to any such actors that would be able to license ABK contents without exclusivity and the CMA conclusion is kind of prohibiting ABK from any exclusivity deals in this regards.

The CMA pads those shortcomings by stating the cloud market is fast-evolving and remedies are hard to enforce.

But the thing is the hard-to-enforce conclusion has been destroyed by the EU and this market is not fast evolving at all which can be assessed in 2 ways:

  • (Business models) those models listed above are pretty much an exhaustive list of what can exist in regard to the cloud. any new models will only fall into 1 or a mix of those variations.
  • (Technology) Ms does not produce hardware itself making them dependent on 3rd parties that have many other clients able to request as much as MS themselves. Also, the ABK transaction does not impact this in any way.

All in all, the conclusion of the CMA in its current form cannot exist without either contradicting itself or catering to a non-existent market.

Last edited by EpicRandy - on 19 May 2023

edit: double post



Ryuu96 said:
Machiavellian said:

I feel sorry for you Ryuu, you are going to have to purchase a PS5 because MS is leaving the market.  Oh well, its not that bad on the Blue side of the street.

Another L for BREXIT!

Has 0% chance of happening though.

Microsoft is all talk, days after their "LONDON IS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS" rant they invested millions into a London based AI start-up, Lmao.

True, the chances of MS leaving the UK is slim to none but you never know these days.  MS might have invested in that Uk startup but when it leaves the UK and put up shop in the EU, there will be hell to pay.