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A business update. Yikes



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Great, another week of meltdowns

I was definitely expecting a response of some sort though. Hopefully everything they announce is 100% clear and leaves nothing to the imagination or any further doubt/questions.



Zippy6 said:



Official news next week.

Imho, the absence of a clear statement denying it is a confirmation.



Definitely confirmed.



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Manlytears said:
Zippy6 said:



Official news next week.

Imho, the absence of a clear statement denying it is a confirmation.

Same. Especially with the "we've been planning a business update" part like he's insinuating they were always planning to announce these drastic changes next week before it all started leaking. 



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Zippy6 said:



Official news next week. That's gonna be a long wait. Back to AC Odyssey for me.

That sounds alot like, its going to be a "yes, but...."
Wonder how they will sell it PR wise.



You know, I think the thing that bothers me the most about this whole Xbox multiplatform release thing, is that I truly had hope for this generation. I really thought this was going to be the generation where Xbox started to turn things around after their abysmal performance in gen 8 with Xbox One. At the time, it seemed like all the pieces were lined up neatly:

  • Much larger first party than last gen, from like 6 studios by 2017, up to 23 in 2021, up to 37 in 2023
  • Much more enticing hardware, in everything from specs to visual design to controller to UI
  • By far the best value proposition in all of gaming, Gamepass
  • A big war chest of money that could be used for everything from future acquisitions, to moneyhatted exclusives, to day one gamepass deals
  • No wasted focus on VR or Kinect, pulling 1st/2nd party development resources away from the core gaming experience

It really seemed like Xbox was going to be able to capitalize off of all of the above to gain marketshare on Sony throughout the generation, and be able to launch on near even footing with them next gen. If you had told me back in 2020 when Xbox Series launched that Xbox would basically be going 3rd party in just over 3 years, I would have tried to have you committed to an insane asylum, because that is how crazy it would have sounded at the time. But lo and behold, year after year, basically everything that could have gone wrong, has gone wrong. 

  • Series S was a bad idea right from the start. The idea had promise on paper, a cheap entry level console that would play all the same games, just at a lower resolution. But the reality was far from what it appeared to be on paper, specs were so low that downgrades beyond mere resolution were required on many games, developers hated porting to it because the RAM and GPU just weren't enough. 
  • Xbox took far too long to fix their production issues in the wake of Covid, they could have used the early gen as an opportunity to gain ground on PS5, but instead they continually allowed Sony to produce more hardware than them in those early years. 
  • They relied far too heavily on Series S production early gen, flooding the market with the weaker console that also just so happened to be all digital, turned out to be a colossal error of judgment, Xbox Series S production was so high that they managed to drive Xbox Series software sales up to a rumored 80+%, which has had a disastrous effect on Xbox's retail presence, with retailers now delisting physical Xbox games and removing Xbox shelf space. They should have learned from Sony, who only produced roughly 20% of their total PS5 units as the all-digital model, and have been able to retain a significant number of physical software sales and higher retail presence
  • Xbox 1st party output has been pretty poor; in spite of the much larger 1st party, they have barely released more exclusives per year than last gen when they had far less studios. Between Covid issues, and numerous development issues cropping up at studios like Playground, The Initiative, and Undead Labs, studios that Xbox acquired in 2018 and 2019, still have yet to release an Xbox exclusive as of 2024, and now that Xbox is going at least partly multiplatform, some of them likely never will. 
  • Halo Infinite's launch was pretty disastrous, the multiplayer just wasn't ready for release in 2021 and the game should have been delayed into 2022.
  • Redfall was a complete disaster that should have been delayed
  • Starfield's launch didn't go particularly well either, a game that should have been a system seller, ended up getting review bombed by both users and critics, and barely moved Xbox hardware. 
  • Frankly, buying Activision was a mistake. That $80+b spend seems to have exacerbated Xbox's money troubles and forced this multiplatform decision to happen much earlier than it should have. They spent all that money on an acquisition they knew would grant them no systemseller exclusives, and then decided to do away with exclusives all-together to pay for said acquisition. 
  • Xbox never put in the work they needed to do to grow Xbox into new and emerging markets. PS5 is available officially in at least 20 more countries than Xbox, and Xbox has even managed to lose markets they held against PlayStation in past generations. 
  • Marketing has been pretty piss poor, tv ad spend was down, barely partnered with any 3rd parties to get marketing rights, instead letting Sony get them all.

It just seems like nothing has gone right for Xbox 3 years straight. And now we have come to what might as well be the end, because ones the floodgates of multiplatform releases are open, once that pandora's box is open, the bean counters at Microsoft will never allow them to be closed again. Xbox hardware is just not going to sell well without exclusives, and if the hardware doesn't move, developers will be even more hesitant to port to Xbox than they already are. It truly does feel like the end of Xbox as anything more than a 3rd party publisher.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 05 February 2024

Jaywood2010 said:
Ryuu96 said:

-Snip-

The respect I have for Ryuu is profound, and I must say that you have done a fantastic job here. I don't comment here like I did back in the day, but the reason this place was and is so special to me, and always will be, is because of the relationships built. Its not just about a box and it never has been. We all share a common love for gaming, and this thread blossomed far beyond that in large part because of Ryuu. 

So Ryuu, thank you! Youve always been a spark for this community, youve done a phenomenal job, and most importantly, youre a good person. Im positive everybody here is cheering you on as you focus more on yourself. I wish you the utmost happiness :)

Damn, Lmao. In my head I was thinking "time to bring out the big guns, I'm going to get Jaywood to post for the thread" and thinking people would be like "Jay is here!" and instead you go complimenting me I can't handle compliments! But Tbh I've always felt I had massive shoes to fill and often had doubts about how well I'm doing, Lol.

But thanks for that Jay, I appreciate the kind words.

Also. Agreed that the thread is special because of the community, the site is small enough that a lot of people know each other very well and it's almost to me like an extended family, I love this thread and the people in it. I would love if even disregarding Xbox for a second, that this community would live on in whatever form, I've made some genuine close friends from Empire.



JRPGfan said:
Zippy6 said:



Official news next week. That's gonna be a long wait. Back to AC Odyssey for me.

That sounds alot like, its going to be a "yes, but...."
Wonder how they will sell it PR wise.

I just hope whatever the case is regarding what games are coming, what games aren't and if there will be timed exclusive periods, that the messaging will be absolutely crystal clear and leave no room for speculation and doubts.

I really hope they aren't going to try and lessen the blow by being vague about certain aspects. Or that they just haven't decided some things yet.

They need this messaging to be firm, concrete and leaving no room for misconceptions or speculation.



crissindahouse said:
konnichiwa said:

In theory yeah but the Halo community as an example Xbox + PC is way smaller than the halo community Xbox 360 days.

The Minecraft community on xbox isn't that happy either

Also in general most would not refer to you as an Xbox user but a PC user/PC gamer and you probably know yourself that a lot of Xbox console gamers in MP  did not like to play with PC gamers.  As a Fervent Gears player I was returned to the main menu countless time when some team mates saw the PC icon in the enemy team and left the game. At some point it became so bad that The Coallition turned the option to see if someone was a console player or PC player off.

In my opinion Xbox is the console that people invested in, their gamerscore their friends and so on, and why some like Klobrille and others saw a bright future, they realise now that it isn't that bright and I guess they feel devasted.  The Xbox ecosystem will probably die, MS at some point will probably stop with the hardware, gamerscore, friendslist, the games may continue but how can we be sure?  

I couldn't care less what other call me. I'm an Xbox gamer since the first day the first Xbox released. And I'm still an Xbox gamer when I use the Xbox ecosystem which Game Pass is a big part of. You could rather not call me an Xbox gamer because I just don't find the time to play much but Xbox ecosystem is Xbox ecosystem, with or without the console to play the damn games.

Klobrille will still get the same games he always talks about. Nothing changed for him except that people on Playstation will probably get them as well. If it is so devastating to him to hear that he will still get the same games but not only on Xbox then well, let him be devastated. I guess then it wasn't really only about the games like always said. 

Not sure what the Halo example is supposed to tell me. The franchise didn't shrink because of the games also releasing on PC nor does the much smaller player base tell us that it still isn't bigger with PC as it would be without. The MCC sold like 6-10m units on Steam...

Yeah. Weird gatekeeping post from Konnichiwa, Lol.

I see you as an Xbox gamer because Xbox is more than just the console, I've always made a point to make this thread welcoming to those who play Xbox IP on PC.