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derpysquirtle64 on 21 June 2023
Ryuu96 said:

Best crossover incoming

gtotheunit91 said:

I counter that by pointing out with how inconsistent SE is with their Xbox releases, how they can possibly hope to build up a playerbase if they don't release their games on the platform? 

Many Xbox players wonder why should they even bother if they know they're not going to get the next game release? A game like Crisis Core in December was just a tool to get you to buy a PS5 to continue the story of the FFVII Remake trilogy.

The Divine Force was the first Star Ocean game to release on Xbox since 2009......how can they build up a playerbase with that kind of inconsistency?

Switch or even Nintendo consoles in general haven't been supported very well by Square with Star Ocean series for that same time frame as well tbh.

Spade said:

I don't know about the other JRPG xbox people here, but I received my copy

Did my part.

If you mean Star Ocean, I bought it digitally during Golden Week sale. Still haven't played it. Sorry, Square, you've just picked the wrong time to release this game, so no buy at launch.

Ryuu96 said:

Counterpoint Alongside Gtotheunit's Counterpoint.

Tales of Arise, Like A Dragon Ishin, Nier Replicant are actually great games, Lol.

Although Demon Slayer is only 1 point off from Star Ocean The Divine Force, on Steam is another picture, with Demon Slayer at 88% with 13,000 reviews compared to Star Ocean at 68% with 1,200 reviews (so Xbox isn't the only place it bombed).

Inconsistent releases alongside the titles we're receiving being the bad, average or just skippable ones is a deadly combo.

Demon Slayer meta not worth discussing. It's a game based on an insanely huge anime, maybe the biggest one in years. It would sell a ton no matter how good or bad the game is. It's the same as those Justice League or Suicide Squad game. They will same simply due to brand power.

shikamaru317 said:

At least they didn't raise S prices in any market, that would have been a killing blow for S if they had done that. X has enough demand to sell in-spite of a price hike, but S frankly needs a price cut to sell, if they had raised the price for S they would have killed all demand for it pretty much.

Not a fan of the Gamepass price hike though, even if it is only $1 per month higher than before. Reminds me of how Netflix has managed to creep their price for the standard sub up from $8 a month in 2013 to $15.49 per month a decade later in 2023, by doing it in small $1 or $2 increments each time.

I think they did "raise" Series S price in my opinion. And that's why we got 349$ 1TB Series S and 512GB staying at 299$ instead of 249/299 price.



 

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Spade on 21 June 2023
gtotheunit91 said:
Spade said:

I'm more concerned how he had that quote in his holster. Feel like I said that weeks ago.  

And FU, Starfield getting an 87 meta. Worst FF 16 will do is probably tie at 87 too. 

Hey Droid, mind keeping this comment in your folder? For.....future use

I'm curious what else is in this folder  



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derpysquirtle64 on 21 June 2023

P.S. I'm with @Spade on this bet. FF16 scoring higher or at worst equal meta as Starfield



 

EpicRandy on 21 June 2023
Ryuu96 said:
EpicRandy said:

I hope it does not come to this. For now, it is still way under the inflation from its 2017 introductory price. So it was unavoidable for Gamepass to raise its price eventually if only to match inflation. The only thing that was holding it back was the focus on growth but I guess the great reception of last week's show gave them enough confidence to go ahead with the adjustment.

From now on, fingers crossed MS does not get too greedy and keeps solely matching inflation every 4-5 years or so.

I think even inflation aside, everyone was bragging about Game Pass being "the best deal in gaming" and how much of a steal it was, because it is a very good steal, hundreds of titles available and 1st party on day one for that cheap? Now a Bethesda RPG day one for that cheap? Possibly ABK titles? The price increase was inevitable, that was obvious to anyone.

At a $1-$2 increase it's still incredibly good value and about to be even better value when Xbox gets on a regular release schedule starting with Forza Motorsport, Starfield and leading into Avowed, Hellblade II, etc. And IF Activision-Blizzard comes onboard it's about to be insane value, Lol. Big if but even without it, Game Pass is about to pop off.

I don't really see the difference whether they increase $10 now or $10 over the next 5-6 years (or whatever price) and a $1-$2 increase now is way better than a much higher price increase now. If they keep increasing in price, we can unsub whenever we want and vote with our wallets, when it hits our limits of what we're willing to pay.

The Netflix complaining is a bit meh...People can unsub whenever they want...I don't think people are that stupid that they don't notice a price increase because it happens over a few years rather than over 1 day, I notice it and I'm still subbed, Lol. When people are looking through their balances at stuff to cut, the subscription services will be first to go if they are too costly.

There's a lot of internet complaining about Netflix but clearly a massive amount still consider it worth the money, if they hit a threshold which causes a mass drop-off then that's their own fault and consumers will vote with their wallets which will maybe cause Netflix to re-adjust the price again and it ain't like Netflix can do whatever they want when they have more than enough competition now.

Though no TV Streaming service is profitable aside from Netflix, soo...

Well yeah, of course, the value proposition of GamePass is way higher than it was when introduced and would be able to justify an increase in price on its own,  but to put that into effect MS would need to increase the monthly fee higher than at introduction adjusted for inflation or else they are still proposing a better proposition at still lower cost.

$9.99 in 2017 is $11.25 in 2023 if we take a normal inflation of around 2%. However, with actual inflation (US), it is $9.99*1.019*1.023*1.014*1.07*1.065*1.027 =  ~$12.36

So as long as it's below those numbers I have a hard time attributing the current increase to the increases in value propositions.



G2ThaUNiT on 21 June 2023
derpysquirtle64 said:
gtotheunit91 said:

I counter that by pointing out with how inconsistent SE is with their Xbox releases, how they can possibly hope to build up a playerbase if they don't release their games on the platform? 

Many Xbox players wonder why should they even bother if they know they're not going to get the next game release? A game like Crisis Core in December was just a tool to get you to buy a PS5 to continue the story of the FFVII Remake trilogy.

The Divine Force was the first Star Ocean game to release on Xbox since 2009......how can they build up a playerbase with that kind of inconsistency?

Switch or even Nintendo consoles in general haven't been supported very well by Square with Star Ocean series for that same time frame as well tbh.

That's fair, but that is also one franchise. Square has been heavily supporting Nintendo. Pretty much most SE games that aren't called Final Fantasy or in this case, Star Ocean, has been ported to Switch. Granted, this reinvigorated partnership is pretty recent when Square completely abandoned Nintendo during the N64 era and onward. 

Square did heavily support Nintendo during the DS/3DS era. But just during the Switch's lifetime, Square started their whole HD-2D endeavor exclusively with Nintendo with Octopath Traveler, and has led to several other timed exclusives. 

So while Nintendo may not get mainline Final Fantasy games or Star Ocean, Nintendo's partnership with Square has grown dramatically and is arguably almost as strong as it was during the SNES era. Can't say the same for Xbox. 



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DroidKnight on 21 June 2023

Spade's folder is one of the smaller ones. It was just that one quote that kind of stuck with me. I wasn't sure if it was ok to joke around anymore, so I've been trying to tone down my posts somewhat and not allow too much funny stuff to sneak in.



...to avoid getting banned for inactivity, I may have to resort to comments that are of a lower overall quality and or beneath my moral standards.

derpysquirtle64 on 21 June 2023
gtotheunit91 said:

That's fair, but that is also one franchise. Square has been heavily supporting Nintendo. Pretty much most SE games that aren't called Final Fantasy or in this case, Star Ocean, has been ported to Switch. Granted, this reinvigorated partnership is pretty recent when Square completely abandoned Nintendo during the N64 era and onward. 

Square did heavily support Nintendo during the DS/3DS era. But just during the Switch's lifetime, Square started their whole HD-2D endeavor exclusively with Nintendo with Octopath Traveler, and has led to several other timed exclusives. 

So while Nintendo may not get mainline Final Fantasy games or Star Ocean, Nintendo's partnership with Square has grown dramatically and is arguably almost as strong as it was during the SNES era. Can't say the same for Xbox. 

Hard to disagree with this



 

derpysquirtle64 on 21 June 2023

Completed Gal Guardians game. Nice 2D platforming action game from Inti Creates. I love their 2D games like Bloodstained Curse of the Moon, Blaster Master Zero series and Gunvolt series. So decided to try this one as well as it is their recent game released a few months earlier. Not as great as BMZ and Gunvolt series but still quite enjoyable. Hated the 3 difficulty related achievements though.



 

Angelus on 21 June 2023
Spade said:
Ryuu96 said:

Now was Game Pass increased because subs have slowed down too much and so they're adjusting the pricing as they aren't in mass growth stage anymore or is it because they want it done before Activision-Blizzard-King if they still believe that is happening? Lol. Or maybe it's in anticipation of them finally getting on a regular release schedule starting with Forza Motorsport - Starfield.

They specifically said to regulators that ABK wouldn't result in price increases to Game Pass, are the sneaky bastards doing it before closure? Lol. It's a pretty tame price increase to both the console and Game Pass, if they were doing it in anticipation of ABK then I would have expected more than $1-$2 increase to Game Pass.

Game Pass price increase was inevitable, anyone should have seen it coming due to the value it holds and it staying the same price for 6 years, but they already told regulators that ABK wouldn't be the cause for it, so the timing feels a bit sneaky, Lol. Could just be in anticipation of Starfield though cause I still think ABK is dead, Lol.

Could just be in anticipation of Starfield though cause I still think ABK is dead, Lol.

I still think ABK is dead, Lol. 

ABK is dead, Lol. 

Lol...

@NobleTeam360 @    Angie

This dude afraid to properly tag me...

good



DroidKnight on 21 June 2023



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