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Is free speech suppressed on the internet's main public squares

Yes 44 54.32%
 
No 35 43.21%
 
Undecided 2 2.47%
 
Total:81
RolStoppable said:
ConservagameR said:

I'd guess Elon had about enough of hearing, it's a private business so they can do what they want, and, if you don't like it go build your own.

So he just bought it instead and then decided to do what he wants by actually taking it private.

Hypocrites will soon be the norm at this rate. The right is increasingly realizing that pointing out hypocrisy doesn't accomplish much, while the hypocrites tend to keep winning somehow, so they're shifting from playing heads they win, tales we lose, to playing hypocrisy as well. Do not do as you say, collect $8 per blue check.

Twitter failing could very well mean a right wing platform becomes the new town square, and if that takes place while conservatives are shifting from morality to hypocrisy, then we just might get old Twitter back again, just flipped politically, and that no doubt would be a nightmare to some.

The far-right's definition of hypocrisy is much like the far-right's definition of free speech: To them it means something very different than what the actual definition of these terms is.

"Conservatives are shifting from morality to hypocrisy," that implies that the so-called conservatives had had morals before. Just LOL.

You're mistaking their new definition with the old one. The old one was based mostly on morals, along with a bit of nobody's perfect hypocrisy, where as the new one includes a lot of hypocrisy, standard. Which is why they're just doing as they please more and more often. A bit of progress they decided to borrow.

Should I assume that "LOL" is supposed to imply that liberals are funny? Maybe they once were?



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Pemalite said:
ConservagameR said:

No. And you are correct, they can do what they want.
But by that same token, I am entitled to criticise them, all day long.
Free speech remember? Or is it only Free-Speech that -you- agree with?

Correct, you can criticize, but to become so critical of Twitter all of the sudden, as some have, makes one question why when it wasn't utopia before.

Do you not see Elon's hypocrisy? Screeches about free speech, then gets upset when people express it?

Yes I do, that's exactly what I was talking about, and I'd guess he really doesn't care. The right is starting not to care and their hypocrisy is rising.

I don't use twitter anymore, I find it's purpose to be redundant these days.

Maybe you'll actually stick to that, and good on you. Most don't and go right back because they were never leaving in the first place.

Any company/owner/manager who forces employees to work 80 hours without compensation is a crap working environment. Never work for free, especially when your boss can dump 10's of billions of dollars on something, they can afford to pay that compensation.

I, and others elsewhere I've seen, assumed Elon would do something like this early on. Flat out firing people, legal or not, can potentially cause quite the legal backlash if they want to make his life miserable, so if he takes away some of the extra's while also instating some ridiculous but legal rules, many will just quit on their own accord. After enough time has passed and he feels he's cleaned house, then make the rules sensible and start hiring.

Maybe that's why he's doing it, maybe not, but Elon already dealt with this trouble at Tesla with serious unionization threats, so I have a hard time believing it's being done out of terrible business decisions or greed.

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Kanye West is back on twitter. But was he really an anti-semite in the first place, or is he just threatening to expose a corrupt covert elite?

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padib said:

Kanye West is back on twitter. But was he really an anti-semite in the first place, or is he just threatening to expose a corrupt covert elite?

Implying that the "corrupt covert elite" are Jewish is anti-semitic.

Spreading conspiracy theories that "the Jews" control the world/country/etc is anti-semitic. 



ConservagameR said:
Jumpin said:

You’re conflating R&D strategies with the mismanagement of an established live service.

Elon Musk has become Mr. Fishoder from Bob’s Burgers. A living parody of once successful business owners who have driven their heads so far up their own asses that they can’t distinguish solid R&D processes from the whimsical implementation of any shitty thought that pops into their head. 

Save the brain dead slogans from motivational pamphlets… unless you’re a keynote speaker at an Avon or NFT recruitment party… or an actor in a dystopian play inspired by Brave New World.

He just took over like a week or two ago. You expect him to have built it into a well oiled cash cow by now? And here I thought Elon was unrealistic.

A well-oiled cash cow certainly not in such a short timeframe, that was not to be expected. But not crashing harder than Launchpad McQuack, that certainly was, and yet the bets are on as to who lasts longer: Liz Truss as UK's PM or Twitter with Musk as it's CEO.



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ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

No. And you are correct, they can do what they want.
But by that same token, I am entitled to criticise them, all day long.
Free speech remember? Or is it only Free-Speech that -you- agree with?

Correct, you can criticize, but to become so critical of Twitter all of the sudden, as some have, makes one question why when it wasn't utopia before.

All of a sudden? I didn't have much time for twitter before the buyout.

Don't make assumptions if you don't have all the facts lined up.

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

Do you not see Elon's hypocrisy? Screeches about free speech, then gets upset when people express it?

Yes I do, that's exactly what I was talking about, and I'd guess he really doesn't care. The right is starting not to care and their hypocrisy is rising.

Then you don't have a legitimate argument.

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

I don't use twitter anymore, I find it's purpose to be redundant these days.

Maybe you'll actually stick to that, and good on you. Most don't and go right back because they were never leaving in the first place.

I haven't used it in 5+ years, if anything there is less of a reason to go back now, than there was before...
I do actually have morals, which dissuades me further.

What other people do is obviously no concern to myself.

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

Any company/owner/manager who forces employees to work 80 hours without compensation is a crap working environment. Never work for free, especially when your boss can dump 10's of billions of dollars on something, they can afford to pay that compensation.

I, and others elsewhere I've seen, assumed Elon would do something like this early on. Flat out firing people, legal or not, can potentially cause quite the legal backlash if they want to make his life miserable, so if he takes away some of the extra's while also instating some ridiculous but legal rules, many will just quit on their own accord. After enough time has passed and he feels he's cleaned house, then make the rules sensible and start hiring.

Maybe that's why he's doing it, maybe not, but Elon already dealt with this trouble at Tesla with serious unionization threats, so I have a hard time believing it's being done out of terrible business decisions or greed.


I have no issue with people being fired, it is a part of life, it's the other policies he is forcing onto others that I don't agree with. I.E. Forcing people to work without compensation.
It's not ethically right... And you defending that makes me question your own morals and ethics.

Elon thrives on drama, same with Trump. - It is how they sell themselves as a "brand". And they are damn good at it.

But it is all just drama... And they don't care who they step on in the process, it's just toxic.

Either way, we can be certain that Elon doesn't actually care about free speech, he talks a big game, but he doesn't deliver it.



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Pemalite said:
ConservagameR said:

All of a sudden? I didn't have much time for twitter before the buyout.

Don't make assumptions if you don't have all the facts lined up.

What do you call these below?

There is no room for bigotry, fake information, hate speech, homophobia, sexism, racism and more, period. Real life or online.
It's called being respectful.

Not even towards Caucasians? It seems to be the norm that hate speech or racism towards whites has been carved out.

I think Musk just thrives on attention, Trump does the same thing, they like to be the center of it, that is how they make their "brand"... So the crazier the idea, the more disruption they can cause, the better for their particular brand... Which is themselves.

Aren't Elons brands electric cars, rockets, and social media where Trumps brands are real estate, hotels, and golf clubs?

Then you don't have a legitimate argument.

What I said initially was flat out a statement. There was no argument being made as to this.

I have no issue with people being fired, it is a part of life, it's the other policies he is forcing onto others that I don't agree with. I.E. Forcing people to work without compensation. It's not ethically right... And you defending that makes me question your own morals and ethics.

What about apprenticeship's, internship's, etc? It's totally normal to go without pay for some period of time. The larger the company, the more likely they are to take advantage of this and stretch it out as long as possible, unless you quit, if that's allowed.

Elon thrives on drama, same with Trump. - It is how they sell themselves as a "brand". And they are damn good at it.

Elon and Trump are popular and were long before social media. That popularity, which social media can expand, naturally helps if you don't abuse it.

But it is all just drama... And they don't care who they step on in the process, it's just toxic.

More like it's all just business? If you're not pulling your weight or aren't necessary any longer, you're simply not needed going forward.

Either way, we can be certain that Elon doesn't actually care about free speech, he talks a big game, but he doesn't deliver it.

Maybe he's not concerned about how we think he should go about offering free speech on Twitter. Then again, he is doing Twitter polls about that.

I haven't used it in 5+ years, if anything there is less of a reason to go back now, than there was before...
I do actually have morals, which dissuades me further.
What other people do is obviously no concern to myself.

So what Elon is doing at Twitter doesn't concern you?



the-pi-guy said:
padib said:

Kanye West is back on twitter. But was he really an anti-semite in the first place, or is he just threatening to expose a corrupt covert elite?

Implying that the "corrupt covert elite" are Jewish is anti-semitic.

Spreading conspiracy theories that "the Jews" control the world/country/etc is anti-semitic. 

What to do?

Stand with the blacks in this case, and you'll probably get labelled an antisemite.

Stand with the jews in this case, and you'll probably get labelled a racist.

Probably best to just sit this one out, as Chappelle implied on SNL, yet then continued anyway.

Side note.

I never understood why pointing out too much control was a problem when it came to anyone or anything. If the individuals, whoever they may be, in whatever way, whatever form, are doing a good job, then what's the problem with knowing they're in control?

I also don't understand why people find blanket statements unacceptable. Like when liberals or conservatives is used. Everyone knows that doesn't mean all of them and can at times mean a minority portion. Further clarification is always an option if unclear.



ConservagameR said:
the-pi-guy said:

Implying that the "corrupt covert elite" are Jewish is anti-semitic.

Spreading conspiracy theories that "the Jews" control the world/country/etc is anti-semitic. 

What to do?

Stand with the blacks in this case, and you'll probably get labelled an antisemite.

Stand with the jews in this case, and you'll probably get labelled a racist.

Probably best to just sit this one out, as Chappelle implied on SNL, yet then continued anyway.

Side note.

I never understood why pointing out too much control was a problem when it came to anyone or anything. If the individuals, whoever they may be, in whatever way, whatever form, are doing a good job, then what's the problem with knowing they're in control?

I also don't understand why people find blanket statements unacceptable. Like when liberals or conservatives is used. Everyone knows that doesn't mean all of them and can at times mean a minority portion. Further clarification is always an option if unclear.

>Stand with the blacks in this case, and you'll probably get labelled an antisemite.

I have no clue what you're talking about. This isn't some "blacks vs Jews" thing. 

>I never understood why pointing out too much control was a problem when it came to anyone or anything. 

Firstly it's nonsense. Jewish people might have a larger than expected influence, but the idea that they control The media, the government, etc is nonsense. 

Secondly, sometimes the issue isn't the idea itself, but what kinds of actions that idea motivates people to do. The flat earth idea is just dumb by itself. But if people were throwing out conspiracy theories that say Nasa is lying to us to control the planet and people start seriously believing that idea and start getting motivated to start taking guns down to Nasa, then that's a problem. 

For historical context, the "Jews control our lives" conspiracy theory was a major driving force for the Holocaust. 



ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

All of a sudden? I didn't have much time for twitter before the buyout.

Don't make assumptions if you don't have all the facts lined up.

What do you call these below?

Not assumptions?

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

There is no room for bigotry, fake information, hate speech, homophobia, sexism, racism and more, period. Real life or online.
It's called being respectful.

Not even towards Caucasians? It seems to be the norm that hate speech or racism towards whites has been carved out.

Reverse racism/sexuality isn't actually a thing, usually it's brought up due to a narcissistic personality trait, not saying you are, but you seem to be parroting the same droll lines as all the other conservatives push in the media.

I.E the traits are:
- Lack a care or understanding of others.
- Have a lacking need or unwillingness to recognize the need and feelings of others.
- May feel slighted. (I.E. Other individuals getting support so they are on equal footing as you, and you receive nothing.)

Being a straight white male still gives you an advantage in the world over all else, not just socially, but also often financially and more.

The funny part is the tantrums when that starts to change. And it should change.
The USA has such a rich cultural background and should be brought to the foreground, not pushed away.

But yes, there are some unsavory characters in the world... But when you negatively attribute negative connotations to an "aspect" of someone constantly, then everyone gets branded with the same brush over time and you build a negative stigma.
Just remember being African American is an aspect of someone, it's not who they are.

Same as being LGBTQI, you are the same as everyone else, it's just one small aspect of who you are is different... But from certain people, that is all they can see.

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

I think Musk just thrives on attention, Trump does the same thing, they like to be the center of it, that is how they make their "brand"... So the crazier the idea, the more disruption they can cause, the better for their particular brand... Which is themselves.

Aren't Elons brands electric cars, rockets, and social media where Trumps brands are real estate, hotels, and golf clubs?

Elon himself is a brand.
Trump himself is a brand.

Whenever someone talks about Rockets and Cars, they talk about Elon Musk.
Elon is the brand that sells his other brands.

Trump is the same... Yes he has a ton tied up in real estate, but much of it has his brand on it. I.E. Trump Tower.
Trump is the brand.


ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

I have no issue with people being fired, it is a part of life, it's the other policies he is forcing onto others that I don't agree with. I.E. Forcing people to work without compensation. It's not ethically right... And you defending that makes me question your own morals and ethics.

What about apprenticeship's, internship's, etc? It's totally normal to go without pay for some period of time. The larger the company, the more likely they are to take advantage of this and stretch it out as long as possible, unless you quit, if that's allowed.

I'm not aware of the working policies over in the United States.
But here in Australia, which is based on policies from the UK and Europe, we are a little fairer and forward thinking.
All apprenticeships and internships are paid. As they should be.

If you work, you get paid. It is that simple. No if's or but's. You get paid.

I am managing a multi million dollar company as my day job, If I ask any of my employees to stay later, even though they are on a salary, I pay them overtime at $60 per hour.
They get annual leave, sick leave, carers leave, maternity leave, so they also get paid for time off.

Do the right thing by your employees and they give back just as much, it keeps them motivated with positive reinforcement.
When you start making demands, introduce negativity, they push back... Because they are people with feelings and you loose productivity for it... Or you end up with high employee turnover, so you never retain a working base which is highly skilled and knows the business.

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

Elon thrives on drama, same with Trump. - It is how they sell themselves as a "brand". And they are damn good at it.

 Elon and Trump are popular and were long before social media. That popularity, which social media can expand, naturally helps if you don't abuse it.

They were rich prior, yes.
But their success has catapulted because of Drama which sells their brand.

In saying that, I never heard of either before the bullshit started to happen, so they weren't world-wide renowned like they are now.

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

But it is all just drama... And they don't care who they step on in the process, it's just toxic.

 More like it's all just business? If you're not pulling your weight or aren't necessary any longer, you're simply not needed going forward.

When you are firing people because you don't agree with what they say, work ethic doesn't actually come into it.
He needed to sit down with these people, identify the key issues and work to resolving them in a positive and constructive manner.

The guy just doesn't like other people expressing their right to free speech.

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:

Either way, we can be certain that Elon doesn't actually care about free speech, he talks a big game, but he doesn't deliver it.

Maybe he's not concerned about how we think he should go about offering free speech on Twitter. Then again, he is doing Twitter polls about that.

I thought conservatives didn't believe in polls?

ConservagameR said:
Pemalite said:
I haven't used it in 5+ years, if anything there is less of a reason to go back now, than there was before...
I do actually have morals, which dissuades me further.
What other people do is obviously no concern to myself.

So what Elon is doing at Twitter doesn't concern you?

It concerns me, because I actually give a shit about people, especially when they are treated unfairly.

I don't live my life in a bubble where I am only concerned about myself.

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