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shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

You can't win a war via sanctions alone, Russia's economy is doomed either way so the threat of further sanctions is hardly going to move Putin, the only thing that will is military force. Lets wait and see a few months, I can easily imagine a scenario where Trump is using these recent sanction comments to look "tough" and then turning around a few months from now and saying that Ukraine is the one being unreasonable and pulling support, that way he looks like he actually did something in terms of standing up to Russia but makes an excuse later to throw Ukraine under the bus. The threat of further sanctions is welcome but will not scare Russia out of the war.

This is quite correct, as the Russians seem to be ok with hardship and even death sometimes.    

The Russians will never turn against Putin, I'm convinced of that now, they'll always march to their deaths, nobody is coming to liberate Russia, nobody is overthrowing Putin, a lot of Russians agree with Putin and a lot simply don't care, a lot of Russia's mindset is fighting for the motherland is a glorious purpose no matter what the reason is. Russia needs a complete reset like Nazi Germany after WW2 but that would require total defeat and a foreign nation forcefully occupying them, not happening. Even when Putin dies, the next person will likely be just as bloodthirsty, Russia has not changed since WW2 and I don't see them changing anytime in my lifetime. Putin will continue throwing his massive amount of bodies at the frontline and the Russians will continue to accept it.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 23 January 2025

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Trump also said this.

"I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin — and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process."

Fucking Pathetic.







Ryuu96 said:

Trump also said this.

"I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin — and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process."

Fucking Pathetic.

honestly this is the best Trump can do at this point, he needs to keep blaming Biden for the letting the war happen, he failed his promise to stop the war in 24 hours, and apprently he realised that Europe will not give up on Ukraine, and supporting Ukraine is definitely in America's best intrerests

he cannot make a U-turn out of nowhere, so he had to prepare the ground by making positive statements about Russia's culture and history, in order to sound reasonable when blaming Putin for keeping the war going, and be able justify more sanctions and Ukraine support through the back door

Trump saying that Russian economy is in trouble is huge on its own, I wonder if any Russian sheep will start to wake up after this

actually I am impressed on how he turned things around



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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Ryuu96 said:
Zkuq said:

Trump might have realized that he can't just abandon Ukraine, but that doesn't mean he's going to support Ukraine to what is essentially victory.

You can't win a war via sanctions alone, Russia's economy is doomed either way so the threat of further sanctions is hardly going to move Putin, the only thing that will is military force. Lets wait and see a few months, I can easily imagine a scenario where Trump is using these recent sanction comments to look "tough" and then turning around a few months from now and saying that Ukraine is the one being unreasonable and pulling support, that way he looks like he actually did something in terms of standing up to Russia but makes an excuse later to throw Ukraine under the bus. The threat of further sanctions is welcome but will not scare Russia out of the war.

I don't know, that would be kind of a strange twist... although maybe not for Trump. I think Russia would have to bend just enough to be actually ready for negotiations before Trump could pull support from Ukraine, and they might just do that sooner or later. I mean, Russian economy can't hold up forever, and I'm sure the Russians people also have their limits (just not where any reasonable person might have them). If I had to guess right now, I'd say Russia wants to see Trump's actual cards and perhaps give them some time, and then act accordingly.



I agree with Ryu. Let's wait a few months for Trump to show his actual hand. At the end of the day, someone is in for a big disappointment: either Zelensky or Putin.

Edit: One last thought: I believe Zelensky is willing to give up 20% of his country in exchange for joining NATO. However, I do not believe Putin would ever accept 80% or even 5% of Ukraine joining NATO. Thus, he has no choice but to conquer all of Ukraine, no matter how long it takes or how costly it will be.

Also, Trump can only assure Putin that Ukraine will never join NATO under his term, but that ends in 4 years and the next president can do whatever he wants.

Last edited by BFR - on 23 January 2025

Britain Signs Contracts to Manufacture Artillery Barrels for Ukraine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/britain-signs-contracts-to-manufacture-artillery-barrels-for-ukraine/



NATO Secretary General: Europe can finance US weapons for Ukraine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/nato-secretary-general-europe-can-finance-us-weapons-for-ukraine/

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If Trump doesn't want to do it, then NATO is more than willing.



Sweden invests in the production of long-range weapons in Ukraine

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/sweden-invests-in-the-production-of-long-range-weapons-in-ukraine/