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If NATO doesn't get their heads straight, Russia will have eventually ground Ukraine down. Russia doesn't care how many of their men die and they know that they have a much bigger pool to draw from than Ukraine. It's a piss poor and pathetic strategy, but the worst part of it is that it can work because it is allowed to work.

By now I am quite numb towards this war. I shouldn't be, because it remains important for the future of Europe and the world as a whole too, but... when the same mistakes are made by the West's leaders time and time again, it all stops to feel meaningful. It's a perpetual status quo until the next round of leaders is elected in all the big countries, and even then, nothing might change.



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Ryuu96 said:
LegitHyperbole said:

How come this war has everyone so interested but the Isreal thread has no one posting aside from Svennoj. Why so popular over here compared to the far more destructive one in the middle East? Is Zelensky using his NATO money to buy you all off and keep the conversation going? How do I get in on this action.

~Thread Banned.

These are two horrific situations that need not be compared in weird ways such as this, stop bitching about why one thread is more active than the other and instead go and post in that other thread if it bothers you that much, as for why this one is more active, I don't know but I imagine it's partly because there's a lot of Europeans in this thread so it hits closer to home for them, especially with Russia's constant threats towards Europe and history of sabotage, poisonings, invasions, etc.

You seriously decided this would be an appropriate first comment in this thread? Maybe if there was more to base your history on I would have gone easier on your but what an utterly garbage start which will probably result in some users blasting you and you'd deserve it. There was no reason for you to be a sarky dick to the posters in this thread.

Exactly it basically comes down to hitting closer to home. There is like another 7 or so genocides going on in the world atm, but we aren't talking about them simply because they are so distant.



 

 

shavenferret said:

Lol, come join the russian army!  It will be a blast!

Catchy russian music video

The comments on youtube on that video are a good laugh too lol.



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

These are two horrific situations that need not be compared in weird ways such as this, stop bitching about why one thread is more active than the other and instead go and post in that other thread if it bothers you that much, as for why this one is more active, I don't know but I imagine it's partly because there's a lot of Europeans in this thread so it hits closer to home for them, especially with Russia's constant threats towards Europe and history of sabotage, poisonings, invasions, etc.

You seriously decided this would be an appropriate first comment in this thread? Maybe if there was more to base your history on I would have gone easier on your but what an utterly garbage start which will probably result in some users blasting you and you'd deserve it. There was no reason for you to be a sarky dick to the posters in this thread.

Exactly it basically comes down to hitting closer to home. There is like another 7 or so genocides going on in the world atm, but we aren't talking about them simply because they are so distant.

Also, Imo, it is the conflict which has the most potential to escalate into something further, nukes have been "good" at deterring nations in the past but now I feel like it's becoming a double-edged sword where America is terrified of the fact that Russia has nukes and so we're almost sending a message to the world that as long as you have nukes, you can do whatever you want. The size of Ukraine is huge and it is essentially backed by NATO, what message does it send out to the world if Russia wins in Ukraine? That America and Europe are no longer reliable allies.

It would not only embolden Russia further (Georgia and Moldova would likely be next) but it would also embolden China with Taiwan, Azerbaijan with Armenia, etc. Countries would seek nukes for defence (such as Poland) but countries would also seek nukes knowing that if they have nukes they can do whatever they like because nobody will stand up to the nuclear holding country. People mention how Iran and North Korea are emboldened lately, they're emboldened because of Russia, if you want to weaken them then start by weakening Russia and when Russia is defeated and less able to project power across the globe, these countries are also further isolated and weakened.

Iran sends Russia thousands of drones, God knows what they get in return, likely weapons which will be used to kill and threaten other countries, there's no need to attack Iran, instead deal with their supplier which is Russia, takedown the leader because Iran and North Korea are only followers, both are irrelevant and weak unless Russia backs them up.



Cobretti2 said:
shavenferret said:

Lol, come join the russian army!  It will be a blast!

Catchy russian music video

The comments on youtube on that video are a good laugh too lol.

bro, i haven't even looked at those till you mentioned it but i love foreign people's translated thoughts, everything sounds so eloquent



Ryuu96 said:
Cobretti2 said:

Exactly it basically comes down to hitting closer to home. There is like another 7 or so genocides going on in the world atm, but we aren't talking about them simply because they are so distant.

Also, Imo, it is the conflict which has the most potential to escalate into something further, nukes have been "good" at deterring nations in the past but now I feel like it's becoming a double-edged sword where America is terrified of the fact that Russia has nukes and so we're almost sending a message to the world that as long as you have nukes, you can do whatever you want. The size of Ukraine is huge and it is essentially backed by NATO, what message does it send out to the world if Russia wins in Ukraine? That America and Europe are no longer reliable allies.

It would not only embolden Russia further (Georgia and Moldova would likely be next) but it would also embolden China with Taiwan, Azerbaijan with Armenia, etc. Countries would seek nukes for defence (such as Poland) but countries would also seek nukes knowing that if they have nukes they can do whatever they like because nobody will stand up to the nuclear holding country. People mention how Iran and North Korea are emboldened lately, they're emboldened because of Russia, if you want to weaken them then start by weakening Russia and when Russia is defeated and less able to project power across the globe, these countries are also further isolated and weakened.

Iran sends Russia thousands of drones, God knows what they get in return, likely weapons which will be used to kill and threaten other countries, there's no need to attack Iran, instead deal with their supplier which is Russia, takedown the leader because Iran and North Korea are only followers, both are irrelevant and weak unless Russia backs them up.

Agree with everything you saying. 

Th last paragraphs an interesting one. I know Iranians who are PRAYING that Israel retaliates for the recent attack because they are sick of being under an oppressed extremist Islamic government. They told me most the high officials went into hiding after their strike and hide behind their people (aka shields) and that the only people that will suffer are the people, but they hope that the suffering of people will cause the rest of the country to start a revolution.

I won't bag out that people want to believe in God and that they hope there is meaning to their soul beyond our death, but fuck religion has fucked up human advancement for centuries. We need to separate Religion from politics and any extreme offshoot, whether it come from Judaism, Christianity or Islam needs to be eradicated before it grows. there are plenty of Muslim communities who  are in Australia that don't come from the middle east, and they are some of the loveliest people you will ever meet. The middle east needs a reform on all sides, the extremists sects need to be eradicated by their own people.