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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

And even then when they only go against very small countries, they still lose. Chechen wars, anyone?

The fact that Ukraine even just still exists disproves the narrative already. Because if it were true, they would have long beaten Ukraine by now, even with western help. In fact, they would have beaten Ukraine before much western help could have arrived in the first place. That they didn't just shows that the Russian army is a paper Tiger and too weak and too corrupt to win wars anymore, even against foes that were already on their knees.

Zelensky should start shipping AK-47s and MRE's to chechnya.  



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Statement from President Joe Biden on U.S. Support for Ukraine - $7.9 Billion Aid Package

I am proud to welcome President Zelenskyy back to the White House today. For nearly three years, the United States has rallied the world to stand with the people of Ukraine as they defend their freedom from Russian aggression, and it has been a top priority of my Administration to provide Ukraine with the support it needs to prevail. In that time, Ukraine has won the battle of Kyiv, reclaimed more than half the territory that Russia seized at the start of the war, and safeguarded its sovereignty and independence. But there is more work to do. That is why, today, I am announcing a surge in security assistance for Ukraine and a series of additional actions to help Ukraine win this war. 

Today, I am announcing that: 

  • I have directed the Department of Defense to allocate all of its remaining security assistance funding that has been appropriated for Ukraine by the end of my term in office. As part of this effort, the Department of Defense will allocate the remaining Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds by the end of this year. I also have authorized $5.5 billion in Presidential Drawdown Authority to ensure this authority does not expire, so that my Administration can fully utilize the funding appropriated by Congress to support the drawdown of U.S. equipment for Ukraine and then replenish U.S. stockpiles.
  • The Department of Defense is announcing $2.4 billion in security assistance through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which will provide Ukraine with additional air defense, Unmanned Aerial Systems, and air-to-ground munitions, as well as strengthen Ukraine’s defense industrial base and support its maintenance and sustainment requirements.
  • To enhance Ukraine’s long-range strike capabilities, I have decided to provide Ukraine with the Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) long-range munition.
  • To further strengthen Ukraine’s air defenses, I have directed the Department of Defense to refurbish and provide Ukraine with an additional Patriot air defense battery and to provide Ukraine with additional Patriot missiles. This builds on my decision earlier this year to divert U.S. air defense exports to Ukraine, which will provide Ukraine with hundreds of additional Patriot and AMRAAM missiles over the next year and will help Ukraine defend its cities and its people. 
  • To build the capacity of Ukraine’s air force, I have directed the Department of Defense to expand training for Ukrainian F-16 pilots, including by supporting the training of an additional 18 pilots next year.
  • To counter Russian sanctions evasion and money laundering, the Department of Justice, the Department of the Treasury, and the U.S. Secret Service have taken action today to disrupt a global cryptocurrency network, in coordination with international partners. The United States will continue to raise the costs on Russia for its war in Ukraine and to deprive the Russian defense industrial base of resources.
  • I will convene a leader-level meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group in Germany next month to coordinate the efforts of the more than 50 countries supporting Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression.

Through these actions, my message is clear: The United States will provide Ukraine with the support it needs to win this war

Statement from President Joe Biden on U.S. Support for Ukraine | The White House

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At this point, I'll believe it when I see it, but that sure sounds impressive. I hope it's not because I'm missing some key detail.



Zkuq said:

At this point, I'll believe it when I see it, but that sure sounds impressive. I hope it's not because I'm missing some key detail.

it's going to be the last of the help that he can give.  That's the catch, still it is a massive aid package which will be very much appreciated by not only Ukraine but the rest of Europe



So, one of Orban's closest aids has came out and said that Hungary would have never fought off a hypothetical Russian invasion if it did occur. There are calls from the opposition party to have this aide removed.

https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-russian-invasion-trump-1956-88893d8646cde3988d9e1dd15482dd72



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shavenferret said:

So, one of Orban's closest aids has came out and said that Hungary would have never fought off a hypothetical Russian invasion if it did occur. There are calls from the opposition party to have this aide removed.

https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-russian-invasion-trump-1956-88893d8646cde3988d9e1dd15482dd72

Hah, I'm not shocked at all but to say it out loud 💀 Orban would rollover and hand his country over to Russia if Putin went marching on it, why the hell is this country in EU let alone NATO? Anyone who says this is a treasonous little fucker to their own country, Hungary is compromised and a threat to NATO security, I know this is Obran's aide but we all know Orban would do the same.



Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

So, one of Orban's closest aids has came out and said that Hungary would have never fought off a hypothetical Russian invasion if it did occur. There are calls from the opposition party to have this aide removed.

https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-russian-invasion-trump-1956-88893d8646cde3988d9e1dd15482dd72

Hah, I'm not shocked at all but to say it out loud 💀 Orban would rollover and hand his country over to Russia if Putin went marching on it, why the hell is this country in EU let alone NATO? Anyone who says this is a treasonous little fucker to their own country, Hungary is compromised and a threat to NATO security, I know this is Obran's aide but we all know Orban would do the same.

agreed on all counts.  Orban is a cunning yet sackless POS and he deserves all of the bad press that comes his way



Ryuu96 said:

.. why the hell is this country in EU let alone NATO? .

You answered your own question.

Without Hungary being in/leaving the EU/NATO, the Russian army would have set up tents in Hungary. They are basically a buffer zone (curiously what Russia wants Ukrania to be).



drkohler said:
Ryuu96 said:

.. why the hell is this country in EU let alone NATO? .

You answered your own question.

Without Hungary being in/leaving the EU/NATO, the Russian army would have set up tents in Hungary. They are basically a buffer zone (curiously what Russia wants Ukrania to be).

Seems like Hungarians have fogotten what the Russian Army did to them the last time they were there