By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics Discussion - Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

Ryuu96 said:

460km and won't be allowed to fire into Russia, Lol.

Also, the UK could just send Ukraine the 500km variant of Storm Shadow.

Another new missile to hit targets that Ukraine can already hit...

I was looking at news of this earlier and itthe designed to be a cheap and easy to make missle that has a long range. Sounds great. And it sounds like this will be made in Ukraine so that the Ukrainians can attack targets well within Russia. This is potentially very good news. 

Here's what I was reading

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/eram-us-to-develop-long-range-munition-for-ukraine/



Around the Network

UN demands that Russia return the nuclear plant back to Ukraine
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/demands-russia-immediately-return-europes-biggest-nuclear-plant-111871171



Tico said:
RolStoppable said:

Did Biden or Scholz ever say that they want Ukraine to win this war? I don't think they did.

They've always framed it as "Russia must not win this war" and that's exactly the strategy they are following. Give Ukraine enough to keep them in the game, but don't give them enough to win.

What I think happens is this:

At the end of the Cold War, European nations reduced their military industry and military stores to peacetime. The USA also did so, although it retained part of its old industry and warehouses. Now it's time to expand it, but that takes time and you have to endure in the meantime.

Expelling Russia from Ukraine is not possible because we would have to empty our ammunition stores of all kinds. For example, just to recover Crimea, the USA and Europe would have to hand over more than half of their stock of precision rockets. And then we have nothing left to deter China and the war in that area begins.

Our plan for this year is to contain the Russians to wear them down and give in when the pressure becomes too great.

The Russians know that the European military industry grows without much effort on our part and that the Russian industry maintains production, but at the cost of skyrocketing costs and sinking quality. They know that it is not sustainable and that in a year (or two at most) they will be screwed. And they know that from now until winter it doesn't matter if Trump wins because there will be no need for more American aid because we will manufacture enough to support Ukraine. The Russian plan is to take down Ukraine this winter because they have no other choice. Since their plan can work (there are only a handful of Ukrainian units capable of a coherent defense and they focus all their attacks on them), they are already telling Russia that if it succeeds then there will be a European force in Ukraine.

The war now lasts since almost two and a half years, yet somehow the West still needs more time. I don't buy this excuse, nor do I believe that any European country is ready to go to war with Russia in case that Ukraine falls.

Ukraine made huge gains in fall 2022 with the little they had got until then, so if the West had continued to give equipment step by step instead of hesitating on things like tanks for several months, Russia could have been pushed even farther back. But what happened instead is that the West got scared that Russia could lose the war.

The West's strategy is about hoping that Putin will eventually give in, seeing how much this war has cost his country. But the problem with this approach is that Putin won't give up exactly because he has already invested so much. The sunk cost is so high that anything but victory is unacceptable for Russia.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

More military industrial production for the good people of ukraine 🇺🇦 Northrup Grumman is behind a new factory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/breakingdefense.com/2024/07/northrop-grumman-finalizes-deal-to-coproduce-ammo-in-ukraine/%3famp=1



shavenferret said:

More military industrial production for the good people of ukraine 🇺🇦 Northrup Grumman is behind a new factory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/breakingdefense.com/2024/07/northrop-grumman-finalizes-deal-to-coproduce-ammo-in-ukraine/%3famp=1

Should be Trump proof, need more though.

How long until Russia tries to assassinate the CEO of Northrop?



Around the Network
Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

More military industrial production for the good people of ukraine 🇺🇦 Northrup Grumman is behind a new factory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/breakingdefense.com/2024/07/northrop-grumman-finalizes-deal-to-coproduce-ammo-in-ukraine/%3famp=1

Should be Trump proof, need more though.

How long until Russia tries to assassinate the CEO of Northrop?

I think that Putin wishes that he could act as evil and despotic as Stalin but unfortunately for him the rest of the world won't put up with that kind of thing. If he started killing major figures then putin would only make himself a target until he finally gets killed. 



shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

Should be Trump proof, need more though.

How long until Russia tries to assassinate the CEO of Northrop?

I think that Putin wishes that he could act as evil and despotic as Stalin but unfortunately for him the rest of the world won't put up with that kind of thing. If he started killing major figures then putin would only make himself a target until he finally gets killed. 

You have a lot more faith than me, Russia tried to assassinate Rheinmetall CEO and America/Europe haven't done a single thing in response, no removal of restrictions, no increase in lethal aid, barely even a verbal criticism. I have zero faith they'd do anything, even if Putin assassinated every single defence industry CEO.

The one thing that may happen though is these CEO's take it personally and increase investment into Ukraine...

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 13 July 2024

🫡 to my American friends, Europe being backstabbed by America is almost confirmed at this stage.

Time for Europe to prepare for a world without America by its side.

The UK won't abandon its allies, I don't want them to either, even if it meant war with Russia.



The face of defiance......

`



Ryuu96 said:

Maybe Poland would have sent troops into Ukraine if it got that dire. Have my doubts that Western Europe and America would follow them after everything I've seen, America + Germany very much expected Ukraine to fall in days and tried to evacuate Zelenskyy. Western Europe + America doesn't realise we're already at war with Russia, it may not be a conventional one where Russia is firing bullets at us, it's more of a hybrid one but this pathetic weakness on display by those in America and Western Europe will slowly walk us into a conventional one.

There's no excuse for the restrictions on Ukraine, there's no excuse for Germany's Taurus position and some European countries CAN send a lot more than they are and do a lot more than they are, if it is true that China poses no threat to Europe and only Russia does then logic says we should send Ukraine whatever they need to defeat Russia even if it makes us a little vulnerable because at the end of the day if Russia is defeated, it won't matter if we're a little vulnerable. Some countries realise that, such as those in the Nordics, Baltics, Eastern Europe. Those in Western Europe don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LON613xqb60

Say what:

When the Cold War ended, some politicians believed that there would be no more wars, that there would only be small conflicts, but no more wars. But the other party has always been clear that wars exist and that we have to live through one because we have been at peace for a long time.

He says war with Morocco is inevitable, the only unknown is when. And he says we are deploying troops to Latvia, but we were just one step away from deploying them to Ukraine.

He doesn't say this, but I say it to clarify:

The Moroccans believe that Spain is theirs and that we have taken it from them. The country that Moroccans hate the most is Spain. The war with these people is inevitable, what we don't know is when it will start.

We Europeans deliver 80% of all our ammunition production to Ukraine. And the one we agreed to sell, we are trying to buy back to send it to Ukraine.

And the Czech initiative is surely the European nations that are emptying their warehouses but do not want it to be known.