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A Moscow military court ordered Arseniy Turbin to spend five years at a juvenile correctional facility on charges of “participating in terrorist activities.” He was accused of trying to join the Freedom of Russia Legion, a militia made up of Russian nationals fighting on the side of Ukraine, which Russia’s Supreme Court has designated as a terrorist organization.

According to Mediazona, FSB agents claimed Turbin had admitted during an interrogation — which was recorded — that he “planned to join the legion and send in a completed questionnaire.”

But a transcript of the interrogation published by Mediazona shows that Turbin made no such admission despite the FSB agents’ attempt to lead him on.

“I would have joined [the Freedom of Russia Legion],” Turbin was quoted as saying, adding that he chose not to submit the questionnaire out of fear of sharing personal information with strangers.

“After all, I don’t know these people,” the teen said in the two-hour interrogation, which took place in August 2023. 

Russia’s FSB Falsified Evidence Against Jailed Anti-War Teenager – Mediazona - The Moscow Times

While fantasizing about the future of the US under Trump, the Kremlin harbors another dream. It sees it as the ultimate revenge for the Cold War defeat and the collapse of the USSR. Putin’s current advisers are confident that the US will eventually disintegrate, breaking into several pieces like the Soviet Union ultimately did. This would require the right conditions and a leader who could plunge the country into chaos. You might be surprised, but the nickname used for Trump in the Kremlin is the American Gorbachev.

For them, Mikhail Gorbachev is not a democrat or a reformer. For former KGB officers, Gorbachev is a demagogue and a narcissist who desperately wanted to please the audience but had no plan of action; a president whose policies were so chaotic that the empire began to fall apart, with different parts declaring their independence. This is wishful thinking, but Putin’s inner circle would like to believe that Trump could become just such a president.

Putin Is Banking On a Trump Win for His New World Order | Vanity Fair



Ryuu96 said:

Absolutely bonkers Trump can say shit like he'll let Russia slaughter America's allies (we're talking men, women and children) if America's allies don't spend 2% of their own GDP on their own militaries but Trump doesn't say it like that, he says that they aren't "paying their bills" which implies that NATO allies owe America something (they don't) and is his attempt to turn his dumb ass fanbase against NATO.

He can also say shit like he spoke to Putin and Putin told him his dream was to invade Ukraine and nobody is batting an eyelid, the news sites are too busy screaming about Biden's fucking age, is anyone investigating when Putin told Trump this? Was it before or after Trump attempted to blackmail Ukraine for dirt on Biden? Did Trump tell the relevant people of Putin's "dream", did he withhold critical security information from an ally?

But Biden's Age!

American presidents have been complaining about NATO not spending enough on defense for a long time. But none have tried to use that as a justification to oppose NATO or to distance themselves. It's just Trump being loathsome. 



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shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

Absolutely bonkers Trump can say shit like he'll let Russia slaughter America's allies (we're talking men, women and children) if America's allies don't spend 2% of their own GDP on their own militaries but Trump doesn't say it like that, he says that they aren't "paying their bills" which implies that NATO allies owe America something (they don't) and is his attempt to turn his dumb ass fanbase against NATO.

He can also say shit like he spoke to Putin and Putin told him his dream was to invade Ukraine and nobody is batting an eyelid, the news sites are too busy screaming about Biden's fucking age, is anyone investigating when Putin told Trump this? Was it before or after Trump attempted to blackmail Ukraine for dirt on Biden? Did Trump tell the relevant people of Putin's "dream", did he withhold critical security information from an ally?

But Biden's Age!

American presidents have been complaining about NATO not spending enough on defense for a long time. But none have tried to use that as a justification to oppose NATO or to distance themselves. It's just Trump being loathsome. 

Yeah, and like I get it, I would want NATO countries to hit 2% too but it's how Trump says it, I'd say "some NATO countries aren't spending enough on their own defence" but Trump's phrasing of "they aren't paying their bills" is designed purposely to make it appear as though NATO countries owe America something but it is not a bill, it is not even a hard rule.

Trump thinks NATO is some racketeering operation where NATO countries have to pay America, Lol.

And the absolutely disgusting thing to say that, Russia can do whatever it wants to America's allies if America's allies doesn't spend 2% on its own military, it's sickening, so Russia can invade, slaughter and kill innocent men, women and children because said country didn't spend 2% on its military, it's actually insane. You put it another way, one day UK drops to 1.9% which means according to Trump's disgusting mind, Russia can then invade UK, slaughter my people and America won't help us.

I'm not happy with some countries not spending enough but it's their damn military and NATO is a defensive alliance, I would be fuming if Germany was invaded by Russia, German citizens were being slaughtered and UK's response was "Well! We aren't helping them! They only spent 1.6% on their military!" You'd have to be completely sick to ignore the cries of help from your allies because of money.

NATO is a defensive alliance and I would want my country to help all its allies.



In 2024, 23 Allies are expected to meet or exceed the target of investing at least 2% of GDP in defence

23/32. Trump will either take credit for this (when it was actually Russia who caused it) or he will move the goalpost.

He also said some shit about America sending more than Europe to Ukraine which is true but Biden's response should have been about GDP, that in terms of a % of GDP, America is ranked #16...So sure, some countries aren't meeting 2% of defence spending but when it has came down to it, 15 countries are beating America in an actual real-threat scenario and putting their money where their mouth is.





Ryuu96 said:

In 2024, 23 Allies are expected to meet or exceed the target of investing at least 2% of GDP in defence

23/32. Trump will either take credit for this (when it was actually Russia who caused it) or he will move the goalpost.

He also said some shit about America sending more than Europe to Ukraine which is true but Biden's response should have been about GDP, that in terms of a % of GDP, America is ranked #16...So sure, some countries aren't meeting 2% of defence spending but when it has came down to it, 15 countries are beating America in an actual real-threat scenario and putting their money where their mouth is.

Not to forget that European countries have other spendings as well which USA doesn't have. Poland and Germany alone already spent 50 billion for Ukrainian refugees which is already almost as much as USA's whole spending in military and financial help for Ukraine and USA's GDP is like 5x as big as that of these two countries. So yeah, USA is spending more than all European countries together for direct military help but if you look at everything and also count the EU budget and not only the budget of every single country (because that obviously also comes from EU countries) then Europe is easily investing way more than USA. 

So just as example for Germany if you count their share of EU fundings for Ukraine, own military and financial help and refugee costs, Germany alone almost reaches USA's whole numbers and USA's GDP is 7x as big. And countries like Poland, Estonia and so on do even more compared to their financial possibilities. 

But yeah, facts don't matter because most in USA will never care to check the real numbers. 

Last edited by crissindahouse - on 30 June 2024

crissindahouse said:
Ryuu96 said:

In 2024, 23 Allies are expected to meet or exceed the target of investing at least 2% of GDP in defence

23/32. Trump will either take credit for this (when it was actually Russia who caused it) or he will move the goalpost.

He also said some shit about America sending more than Europe to Ukraine which is true but Biden's response should have been about GDP, that in terms of a % of GDP, America is ranked #16...So sure, some countries aren't meeting 2% of defence spending but when it has came down to it, 15 countries are beating America in an actual real-threat scenario and putting their money where their mouth is.

Not to forget that European countries have other spendings as well which USA doesn't have. Poland and Germany alone already spent 50 billion for Ukrainian refugees which is already almost as much as USA's whole spending in military and financial help for Ukraine and USA's GDP is like 5x as big as that of these two countries. So yeah, USA is spending more than all European countries together for direct military help but if you look at everything and also count the EU budget and not only the budget of every single country (because that obviously also comes from EU countries) then Europe is easily investing way more than USA. 

So just as example for Germany if you count their share of EU fundings for Ukraine, own military and financial help and refugee costs, Germany alone almost reaches USA's whole numbers and USA's GDP is 7x as big. And countries like Poland, Estonia and so on do even more compared to their financial possibilities. 

But yeah, facts don't matter because most in USA will never care to check the real numbers. 

Yeah, but has Estonia spent more than America? No? Thought so!

These dudes are morons, at the same time they will mock European countries for not being as rich as America of not being a wealthy tech hub, they'll accuse Europe of shit like going after (fining) American companies just because they're desperate for money, then they complain when European countries aren't able to financially match America, Wtf, Lol.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 30 June 2024