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Who are they trying to kid?

"The first red line involves the possibility of a third party's direct or indirect involvement in north-western Ukraine, potentially creating a corridor between Ukraine and Belarus."

This is a lie considering it has already happened, Belarus already has an indirect involvement in Ukraine, they literally let Russia use their border to invade Ukraine, they let Russia use their country to attack Ukraine. If Russian troops were amongst Belarusian troops, is NATO seriously trying to make me believe they would get involved? Lol.

If this is really the case then why won't NATO just put peacekeeping troops on the Belarusian border already?

The second red line pertains to military provocations against Baltic States, Poland, or Moldova, which could test NATO's reaction during a period of possible confusion, such as election seasons in Europe and the United States. Though there are no immediate plans to send troops to Ukraine.

Another lie, considering drones have already crashed in those listed countries and Russian missiles have flown through Polish airspace.

Moldova

And...Another lie, why do they expect us to believe they would help Moldova, a country not in the EU or NATO (so in the exact same position as Ukraine) but not Ukraine? Also it's a lie because there are literally fucking Russian troops in Moldova right now illegally occupying the land of Transnistria.

Who is this even for? Russia will see this and laugh, pro-Ukraine people will see it and be infuriated by the bullshit, is it just for NATO to pat themselves on the back and say "see, we're tough, don't try what you've already done, Russia!"

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Quite frankly we should find and missile strike wherever that GPS jammer is coming from fucking with flights in the Baltics/Nordics.

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Another idiot who doesn't understand strategic ambiguity.

NATO: Imposing more red-lines on itself than Russia does.

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The Bible teaches us to love our neighbor.

And today has shown us the true meaning of this word. When we all became neighbors to each other. And our former neighbor, who was always trying to be our brother, is far away for us forever. He broke all the commandments, demanded our house, and came to kill us. The world sees this. God knows it. And we believe that God has a chevron with the Ukrainian flag on his shoulder. Therefore, with such an ally, life will definitely defeat death.

Happy Easter to all of you, dear Ukrainians!

Christ is risen!

He is truly risen!



European intelligence agencies have warned their governments that Russia is plotting violent acts of sabotage across the continent as it commits to a course of permanent conflict with the west.  Russia has already begun to more actively prepare covert bombings, arson attacks and damage to infrastructure on European soil, directly and via proxies, with little apparent concern about causing civilian fatalities, intelligence officials believe.

Haldenwang spoke just days after two German-Russian nationals were arrested in Bayreuth, Bavaria, for allegedly plotting to attack military and logistics sites in Germany on behalf of Russia. Two men were charged in the UK in late April with having started a fire at a warehouse containing aid shipments for Ukraine. English prosecutors accuse them of working for the Russian government.

In Sweden, security services are meanwhile investigating a series of recent railway derailments, which they suspect may be acts of state-backed sabotage. Russia has attempted to destroy the signalling systems on Czech railways, the country’s transport minister told the FT last month. In Estonia, an attack on the interior minister’s car in February and those of journalists were perpetrated by Russian intelligence operatives, the country’s Internal Security Service has said. France’s ministry of defence also warned this year of possible sabotage attacks by Russia on military sites. 

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Quick. Get the sternly worded tweet ready!

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Fucking Lord Farquaad!

What a motivational speech, Lol.

The sad part is the only truth is "all of you will die" except from the guy giving the speech, the rest is bullshit, they'll end up as corpses smeared across Ukraine's battlefield, their parents will get the equivalent of $100 for their sons sacrifice into the meatgrinder and nobody will remember them except their now sonless parents.

Russia giving funeral speeches to people still alive, wanting to live is for weak men.

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Explosion equivalent to 10 tons of tnt aimed at the Kerch Bridge. The picture on my link looks sick. I see some warped metal of the bridge structure, so it looks like this will be out of commission for months. I don't even see the point of Russia repairing it, it's just going to be shot at again. Also, I think that Ukraine wants it to not be destroyed, so that it can be used after the war.  So it may be cheaper to periodically fire missles again when it becomes repaired. 




https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-bridge-explosion-attack-russia-1896906



shavenferret said:

Explosion equivalent to 10 tons of tnt aimed at the Kerch Bridge. The picture on my link looks sick. I see some warped metal of the bridge structure, so it looks like this will be out of commission for months. I don't even see the point of Russia repairing it, it's just going to be shot at again. Also, I think that Ukraine wants it to not be destroyed, so that it can be used after the war.  So it may be cheaper to periodically fire missles again when it becomes repaired. 




https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-bridge-explosion-attack-russia-1896906

That's an old picture and not from the latest attack.

And why should Ukraine want to use a bridge to Russia after retaking Crimea? I'm sure Ukraine doesn't want to have a connection to Russia for many years to come. No bridge means no potential Russian invasion over that bridge in the future.

Because retaking Crimea doesn't mean that Russia would be friendly again. It's not like WW2 with Nazi Germany which wasn't a problem anymore after losing the war. Putin and his mates would still rule Russia

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crissindahouse said:
shavenferret said:

Explosion equivalent to 10 tons of tnt aimed at the Kerch Bridge. The picture on my link looks sick. I see some warped metal of the bridge structure, so it looks like this will be out of commission for months. I don't even see the point of Russia repairing it, it's just going to be shot at again. Also, I think that Ukraine wants it to not be destroyed, so that it can be used after the war.  So it may be cheaper to periodically fire missles again when it becomes repaired. 




https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-bridge-explosion-attack-russia-1896906

That's an old picture and not from the latest attack.

And why should Ukraine want to use a bridge to Russia after retaking Crimea? I'm sure Ukraine doesn't want to have a connection to Russia for many years to come. No bridge means no potential Russian invasion over that bridge in the future.

Because retaking Crimea doesn't mean that Russia would be friendly again. It's not like WW2 with Nazi Germany which wasn't a problem anymore after losing the war. Putin and his mates would still rule Russia

Meh, they may want to sell things to the Russians, but I see your point. Mabey I need to look beyond the dollar signs in this.



shavenferret said:

Explosion equivalent to 10 tons of tnt aimed at the Kerch Bridge. The picture on my link looks sick. I see some warped metal of the bridge structure, so it looks like this will be out of commission for months. I don't even see the point of Russia repairing it, it's just going to be shot at again. Also, I think that Ukraine wants it to not be destroyed, so that it can be used after the war.  So it may be cheaper to periodically fire missles again when it becomes repaired. 

https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-bridge-explosion-attack-russia-1896906

Old like Criss said unfortunately, Russia repaired it in a few months.

The issue with the bridge is the pillars need to be destroyed to put it out for a long time and ATACMS isn't strong enough for that, the naval drones probably aren't strong enough but Idk, Storm Shadow and Taurus are your best bet and Taurus is designed to take out bridges. Anyway, Ukraine will sooner erect a wall across the entire Ukraine/Russia border than keep Kerch Bridge, Lol.