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Seriously...He's a BIG Russian puppet.

  • He was one of only three House members to vote against a 2017 bill to impose new sanctions on Iran, Russia, and North Korea
  • In 2019, Massie was the only member of Congress to oppose an act that refused to recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea.
  • He was one of three members to oppose a March 2022 resolution supporting Ukraine's sovereignty after it was invaded by Russia.
  • He later amplified Russian claims that Ukraine was developing biological weapons. Referring to Victoria Nuland's statement that Ukraine had biological research facilities that the U.S. feared might be seized by Russia, Massie tweeted, "I didn’t take the concern over Ukrainian biological labs seriously ... until now."
  • Massie opposed a resolution in 2022 to support Sweden and Finland joining NATO, saying he did not want to "subsidize socialist Europe's defense".
  • On March 19, 2024, Massie voted NAY to House Resolution 149 Condemning the illegal abduction and forcible transfer of children from Ukraine to the Russian Federation. He was one of nine Republicans to do so.
  • In October 2019, Massie criticized the jail sentence for Maria Butina, a Russian citizen who pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as a foreign agent in the United States.

I hope Mike Johnson told him to go fuck himself but Mike's a coward so probably not.



BFR said:

Do it then you twat.

It's about damn time the rest of the Republican Party told these dudes, the Russian puppets and the lunatics like MTG to piss off.

When is this damn party going to grow a spine? We need more Republicans to resign and just give Democrats the majority already, Idk why the moderate Republicans even bother anymore, the party is being overtaken by far right lunatics, the party of Trump, have some damn dignity and self respect and just leave the party.



6 fucking months, 6 months of Ukrainians dying, Ukrainians dying due to a lack of ammo and support, Ukrainian infrastructure being destroyed due to a lack of support, 6 months of Mike Johnson trying to please the lunatics in his party and of course he didn't, we all said he wouldn't, we all knew he couldn't and the dumbass persisted instead of just putting the Senate bill to the floor (WHICH WOULD HAVE HAD THE VOTES TO PASS).

And now, 6 months wasted because these lunatics are still going to motion to vacate against him.

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Question for Americans, if they motion to vacate Johnson, can they still vote on the Ukraine bill before the discussion to vacate?

If so, then providing the Senate also opts to pass the bill, I hope the Democrats don't save Johnson, I would have been okay with saving him if he put the Senate bill to the floor but now he can go fuck himself like the rest of them, he has wasted 6 months for nothing, there's a perfectly good bill passed by Senate which is far better than his stupid separated loan bill which would have passed House but he wanted to try to please his lunatic base.

Dems should let him rot after the Ukraine aid is passed.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 16 April 2024

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Ryuu96 said:

Question for Americans, if they motion to vacate Johnson, can they still vote on the Ukraine bill before the discussion to vacate?

If so, then providing the Senate also opts to pass the bill, I hope the Democrats don't save Johnson, I would have been okay with saving him if he put the Senate bill to the floor but now he can go fuck himself like the rest of them, he has wasted 6 months for nothing, there's a perfectly good bill passed by Senate which is far better than his stupid separated loan bill which would have passed House but he wanted to try to please his lunatic base.

Dems should let him rot after the Ukraine aid is passed.

I thought the role of the speaker is meant to be impartial and to hold order in the house when arguments get heated (i.e. a chair), an ensure legislation get's passed by the majority part, so I don't get how he has so much power to cock block everything.

Or is US politics backwards compared to UK/AUS and they bias as fuck towards the party they represent.



 

 



Critical $100M Russian Radar System 'Nebo-U' Destroyed: Kyiv

-Very long range radar (600-3800km) has been blown to smithereens by 6 UAV's
-Russians will be to a degree more blind as to what is going on in the battlefield, making command and control less useful.

wiki article on the system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebo-M
article on destruction of this valuable piece of equipment: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/critical-100m-russian-radar-system-nebo-u-destroyed-kyiv/ar-BB1lIQzC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ASTS&cvid=2c0a0775b1784352b064504e71949ac3&ei=56



April 16, 2024: Russia may lose its ability to carry out offensive operations in Ukraine by 2025 because of a shortage of armored vehicles. Russia lost thousands of its most modern tanks during the first few months of fighting in Ukraine. Since then, Russia has relied on older tanks stored in pre-1991 arms storage facilities. These elderly tanks are one of the primary sources of tanks that allow Russian troops to continue fighting despite massive combat losses. Russia has been withdrawing tanks, other armored vehicles, and artillery from these storage sites since late 2022. These weapons were produced from the late 1940s through the 1970s. Most of these armored vehicles and artillery were withdrawn from service decades ago. Now these weapons are being refurbished so they can return to battlefield operations. Weapons that are too decrepit to return to combat are cannibalized for spare parts for use by weapons factories as well as army weapons repair facilities close to the combat zone.

These storage facilities are being stripped of all usable combat vehicles, including those only used for spare parts. These stockpiles cannot be replenished because of the demands for combat vehicles to fight in Ukraine and the inability of the Russian weapons industries to produce enough new or reconditioned armored vehicles. If the fighting in Ukraine maintains its high level of combat intensity and heavy Russian losses continue in 2024, it will be much harder for the Russian army to maintain its military power for offensive operations in 2025. That means the conventional Russian military threat to other nations in the region is much more limited.

The shortage of Russian weapons reserves plus new weapons production means as long as Ukraine continues to receive military assistance from NATO countries, Russia will soon have fewer weapons than the Ukrainians. Most Russian forces in Ukraine are already on the defensive and Russia has been able to carry out fewer and fewer offensive operations. Russian losses in Ukraine were higher than expected because Ukraine innovated and produced thousands of relatively cheap UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) and USV (Unmanned Surface Vessels) to dominate the battlefield on land and sea. Half the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been disabled or destroyed by USVs and the surviving ships have moved to distant ports to avoid destruction.

UAVs, many of them armed, have dominated the fighting on land by providing Ukrainian forces with constant surveillance of the battlefield and the ability to quickly attack any Russian forces detected. The Russians have to equip their trucks and armored vehicles with an overhead screen to provide some protection from UAV attacks. Russia has deployed several generations of electronic jammers to disrupt the Ukrainian UAV operations. The Ukrainians quickly responded by changing control frequencies or other aspects of equipment being jammed. Ukrainian use of UAVs is constant despite Russian countermeasures. Most of the Ukrainian UAVs are manufactured in Ukraine by local firms. That means one of the most useful Ukrainian weapons is produced locally, not brought in as part of a NATO aid effort.

Russia has no similar internal or external sources of military aid involving significant numbers of UAVs or anything else. Unless the Russians can conjure up some more weapons and munitions, they will soon be unable to continue combat operations in Ukraine.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/2024041601116.aspx
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-Russia is running out of equipment like tanks, IFV's and artillery tubes.
-Strategypage is suggesting that it will start running out of these in 2025, and that the effects of equipment shortages can already be seen (with fewer offensives, although the missles are ongoing).
-This date of 2025 as being when russia will lose steam and be unable to conduct offensive operations coincides with the Estonian plan for Ukraine that has developed a lot of consensus and everyone sees the wisdom in following. They basically want Ukraine to stay on the defensive and stop offensive operations in 2024 so that Ukraine can win in 2025. Here's a document from Estonia (in english) that they made on the matter if y'all want to peruse that https://kaitseministeerium.ee/sites/default/files/kaitseministeerium_2023veeb_17.12.pdf



White House is saying they won't sign a standalone Israel bill, I'll believe it when I see it but they definitely should take the approach of "we won't sign an Israel aid bill unless it's attached to a Ukraine one/the Senate bill", I have my doubts though, it's likely bluster and they'll sign it anyway even though Israel gets aid either way, they literally just spent $18bn for American weapons, Lol.

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