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The "problem" with Taurus isn't that Ukrainian soldiers would have to input the data by themselves which Scholz doesn't trust them to do but that Taurus uses data which only German soldiers have access to. It's obviously not a simple "type in the location and Taurus does the rest". It uses full topologic data for the whole route which is collected by German specialists so that in Scholz' head, this is German soldiers contributing to the war.

I'm obviously still 100% supporting Taurus for Ukraine (all we have) but it's also not the full truth if some on Twitter just are like "Ukrainian soldiers can type in the data by themselves" because typing them in by themselves isn't what this is about. It's about where and who the data comes from. 

The real reason isn't much better though...The West and especially Scholz should really start to give a shit about some involvement by own soldiers or thinking about what could happen if Ukraine would destroy something in Moscow or whatever. Russia uses weaponry from Iran and North Korea. Russia sends people from the whole world into Ukraine if they want to fight for some Russian money so that there is 0 reason to act like the West can't do that.

It's about time to show Putin that there is no safe zone for the Russian military not only in Ukraine but also hundreds of miles into Russia so that supply lines won't be safe anymore. Ukraine has to resupply their troops over 1000 miles of potential targets of Russian strikes and Russia can resupply their troops from some miles away because Ukraine can't use heavy weaponry against those targets. 

On a  positive not, Germany sent Ukraine 14k rounds of 155mm ammunition the last week and the week before was also decent. I hope that means a much better situation of the production and that this will be the norm now. 

Last edited by crissindahouse - on 26 February 2024

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BFR said:

We can change the name of the Baltic Sea to the NATO Sea now.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 26 February 2024

This is a historic day for Sweden and Euro-Atlantic security. Congratulations to Ulf Kristersson and all Swedes.

Sweden's accession will undoubtedly strengthen the Alliance, particularly in light of the Russian threat to the free world.

We look forward to working closely with Sweden and other NATO allies to advance Ukraine's NATO membership.

With Finland and Sweden joining NATO as its 31st and 32nd allies, the Baltic Sea has been transformed into a sea of NATO and peace. With Ukraine as NATO's 33rd ally, this will also apply to the Black Sea.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy



One man, holding up a bill which passed Senate and will pass House if put to a vote, one man preventing both House, Senate and President from passing a bill, while ammunition supply reaches critical levels and Ukrainian soldiers die and this one man is holding up America's entire military industry for allies and America doesn't have a Plan B aside from shit-talking Mike Johnson on Twitter.

There's no argument that Mike Johnson isn't a piece of shit, but it's absolutely insane how much damage a single man is doing who isn't even the President. It's just making America and the President look weak as fuck, it's making America look like an insanely unreliable ally. How many times can you post on Twitter how much of a dick he is? Surely! There's a Plan B somewhere?



let's fucking do it! Even if only like 200k of the 800k rounds identified will be useful in the end it will really help Ukraine.  

Just look what Russia gets:

and another one:

just imagine Ukraine would have 10 and not 3 Patriot systems and some more other systems as well. 



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Good article about the battle of Antonov airport on the first day of the war.

The Counteroffensive: The battle that saved Kyiv from Russian occupation

Some excerpts:

In the first hours of his full-scale invasion, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his most elite troops to get behind enemy lines to an airfield right outside Kyiv that was normally used for cargo and flight testing – Antonov Airport in Hostomel. Dozens of helicopters ferried hundreds of Russian airborne soldiers to within striking distance of the capital city’s central district.

Even among those who thought a full-scale invasion was likely, there were doubts that it would target Kyiv. But the Ukrainians can’t say they weren’t warned: CIA Director William Burns visited Kyiv less than two months before the invasion, specifically warning that the Russians would try to seize Antonov Airfield in order to create an air bridge into the Kyiv region, swiftly overthrow the government, and capture the capital.

The plan called for 18 enormous Russian strategic cargo planes, IL-76s, to fly to the newly-secured Antonov Airfield with further reinforcements of infantry, armored vehicles, and artillery. There had also been a well-thought-out infiltration plan in which Russia supporters already in Ukraine would help airborne and special operations troops access the capital, less than an hour’s drive away.

The Russian military has a history of airborne assaults, such as when they captured Prishtina Airport in Kosovo in 1999. In 1968, Soviet troops swiftly captured an airport in Prague, allowing large cargo aircraft to arrive and unload tanks to crush the Prague Spring. In both cases – and unlike at Antonov Airfield – they met little to no resistance. And it appears the Russians were counting on that again.

https://kyivindependent.com/opinion-russias-failure-to-take-kyiv-was-pure-luck/



crissindahouse said:

let's fucking do it! Even if only like 200k of the 800k rounds identified will be useful in the end it will really help Ukraine.  

Now this could make a big dent into the Russian lines. Even if it would take a full year for the deliveries, it would still mean over 2000 shells per day just from that.

crissindahouse said:

and another one:

just imagine Ukraine would have 10 and not 3 Patriot systems and some more other systems as well. 

So nice of Russian pilots to play themselves as clay pigeons while Ukraine is waiting for their new planes.



crissindahouse said:

Just imagine Ukraine would have 10 and not 3 Patriot systems and some more other systems as well. 

Crazy Patriot isn't even an offensive weapon either, but hey, a missile or aircraft, it's all the same to Patriot, Lol. It's still a huge risk to have to use them in this way, it'll almost certainly end with one being destroyed eventually but Ukraine doesn't really have any other choice, it does feel like if Ukraine had more then Russia wouldn't be safe flying anywhere close to Ukraine.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 27 February 2024