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Times like this I wish UK was still part of EU.



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Time to do it, Hungary was given enough chances, don't care if they didn't get in the way of this vote, they still blackmailed 10bn out of EU.

Next step is approving the next EU aid package to Ukraine (which Hungary is threatening to block) and Republicans sorting their shit out in America.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 14 December 2023

Cope.

No Friends Orban.

Except One...

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Well either way I just am bored with this conflict already.



BiON!@ 

hellobion2 said:

Well either way I just am bored with this conflict already.

Uh. It's not a football match, that is a pretty fucked up way to phrase things.

Not sure if you meant it that way, I suggest you try to clarify.

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SCHOLZ PROPOSED ORBÁN LEAVE ROOM DURING UKRAINE DECISION

Several hours into difficult discussions on opening accession negotiations with Ukraine and Moldova, which Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán was holding up with his veto, it was German Chancellor Olaf Scholz who came up with the solution.

Scholz told Orbán in front of the other leaders that if he really wasn’t willing to agree, he could leave the room so the EU leaders could take an unanimous decision on enlargement in his absence, two officials briefed on the talks said.

Yet that proposal didn’t come spontaneously but had instead been agreed in previous discussions, one of the officials said. A third official said that Orbán was “momentarily absent from the room in a pre-agreed and constructive manner.”

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Scholz doing the old...

NEHAMMER MISSES KEY SANCTIONS DISCUSSION

Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer, who had been holding up a decision on the 12th package of sanctions against Russia, was not in the room when leaders agreed to the sanctions, three European diplomats told POLITICO.

It was a coincidence, the diplomats said, as Nehammer had left the room to speak with Commission’s President Ursula von der Leyen over Romanian and Bulgarian accession to the free-travel area of Schengen.

The start of the written procedure on the sanctions package is still unclear.

His absence was ironic given that earlier in the day, Hungary’s Viktor Orbán left the leaders’ room when they decided to open accession talks for Ukraine, unblocking the EU decision.

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Lol. I'm loving this trend of "coincidentally wasn't in the room at the time" to get around assholes.



Video Shows Russian Soldiers Using Ukrainian Troops as Human Shields, One Shot Dead

West needs to massively step up in artillery production.



Congress Approves Bill Barring Any President From Unilaterally Withdrawing From NATO | The Hill



Ryuu96 said:

Congress Approves Bill Barring Any President From Unilaterally Withdrawing From NATO | The Hill

I was wondering what happened to this bill. I guess now I know.



Ryuu96 said:

West needs to massively step up in artillery production.

Here's the problem for European defense production: Unlike in the US where most of is directed by the government, European defense industry is a pure private entity, and as such the government have no say over what they do, be it about their production facilities or what, how many and how fast they produce. And since the different countries mostly didn't order all that much in the last decades, the production lines are pretty much athrophied, if not even outright dismantled, and as such unable to ramp up production fast enough to supply Ukraine in the short run.

There is some light on the horizon however: With pretty much all of Europe now upgrading their equipment, defense companies now know it's not just a blip and thus safe for them (and their shareholders) to ramp up production without fearing a financial loss. While it definitely will take some time until they will be going full speed ahead again, they are ramping up production of shells and missiles already. The 1M artillery shell target for this year will probably not be achieved anymore, but I'm confident that next year they'll be able to produce quite a bit more than that.

In other words, the longer the war goes on, the more the European defense industry awakens from it's slumber. And considering it's collective size, one could say that Russia is awakening the sleeping giant of our time.