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Ryuu96 on 20 October 2023

Ukrainian Soldier in the Ukrainian Marine Corps says he believes the numbers are accurate.



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Ryuu96 on 20 October 2023

All these losses for a piece of a street so far.



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GaoGaiGarV on 20 October 2023
Ryuu96 said:

And people freaked out when a handful of Leos and Bradleys were destroyed...



crissindahouse on 20 October 2023
GaoGaiGarV said:
Ryuu96 said:

And people freaked out when a handful of Leos and Bradleys were destroyed...

Well, it was enough that Ukraine also didn't gain much the whole summer except for a few villages where 10-300 people lived in in the past. The reason why Ukraine didn't lose more is because they at least understand when it's not the right time while Russia just doesn't care if they lose 20k more soldiers as needed for some small city. If Ukraine would be as stupid they would have lost all their Leos and Bradleys already but thank god their commanders care about the life of Ukrainians (and their good equipment)

And around 1/4 of all Bradley/Leo/Striidsvagn confirmed (and there will be some you don't get pictures or confirmations from so probably more like 1/3) isn't a few. 

So yes, Western equipment saved many lives but it's also true that Ukraine lost around 1/3-1/4 of them without gaining much and didn't lose more because they aren't as stupid or they would have lost all of them for a few more small villages like Russia would. 

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Ryuu96 on 20 October 2023

Western equipment is focused on keeping the soldier inside alive as well, I don't think we can say the same for a lot of Russian equipment, we seen in the videos even how Bradley's and Leopard's being directly hit kept all the soldiers inside alive and resulted in an orderly retreat, even afterwards the Ukrainians managed to recover some of the Leopard's and repaired them.

I think Ukraine rushed a little at the start, expecting to overwhelm the Russians, but everyone underestimated the sheer scale of the minefields and Ukraine adjusted tactics fairly quickly, switching back to attrition of artillery and a methodical but slow progression of lines. Russia on the other hand when they're set on a particular tactic never change, this is looking close to a Bakhmut 2.0 but I question if Russian MOD knows how to perform offensive manoeuvres better than Wagner did and even Wagner suffered horrific losses.

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EpicRandy on 20 October 2023
Ryuu96 said:

This is fucking insanity.

Even accepting that the numbers aren't 100% accurate, even if they're off by a decent margin, that's still a ridiculous amount in a single day.

Maybe it was slightly under reported over the last few days and new intel made them correct the information as of today?



Ryuu96 on 20 October 2023
EpicRandy said:
Ryuu96 said:

This is fucking insanity.

Even accepting that the numbers aren't 100% accurate, even if they're off by a decent margin, that's still a ridiculous amount in a single day.

Maybe it was slightly under reported over the last few days and new intel made them correct the information as of today?

Could be and of course it should always be taken with a grain of salt and more looked at like a general overview of increases/decreases day to day.

But these are two Ukrainian soldiers on the frontlines so...

Something BAD happened to the Russians yesterday for certain.



Ryuu96 on 22 October 2023



Ryuu96 on 22 October 2023