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Ryuu96 on 01 September 2023

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That's one expensive day of losses.

All the way to Pskov, blowing up 4 Il-76's.

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Girkin has given up, Lol.



Ryuu96 on 01 September 2023

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Pyro as Bill on 01 September 2023

Why are countries debating F-16s? Just give Ukraine nukes already.



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EpicRandy on 01 September 2023
Pyro as Bill said:

Why are countries debating F-16s? Just give Ukraine nukes already.

Well this is obviously an over exegeration but just in case it isn't, there's simply no outcome with nukes that will bring stability to ukraine and that won't bring unstability to a lot more countries.

I know that the situation appears quite simple, and at face value it is, Russia is an agressor and a true terrorist state, it must be stops and we should do everything to make it happens. The problem is, Russian have allies which I'll put into 2 categories, slaves regime like Belarus, and countries with strong anti-west views like China. The problem is obviously with the latters as the former does not really move the needle much.

The issue with countries like China is that they're now stuck between multiple positions which I'll simplify to 2:

1) The russian agression is so obvious and so uncontestably wrong and bad that China cannot support them outright.

2) China cannot support a country which want to join and is being supported by the West.

So China does not voice a strong position either way, all the while profiteering from cheap discounted russian oil and willfully ignoring all atrocities russians perpetrates in Ukraine by simply using "uncertainty" or other scapegoat to do nothing.

This put Nato and the west on thin ice. They need to support Ukraine andRussia must loose, yet, if they overdo something it may help China "justify" a support for Russia. Which would extremly bad for Ukraine and world stability. So the status quo of China sitting on the fence must be preserved, therefore, Russia must loose but must loose while in Ukrainians battlefield, not with Ukrainians army in Russia and certainly not with nukes.

It truly sucks, but WW3 would even more.

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Jumpin on 02 September 2023

It’s surprising how the other social media companies would get in tremendous amounts of trouble if they pulled that kind of crap. But Elon Musk is Elon Musk, and he has strong contractual ties to government agencies despite being a partisan figure. Seems like a massive conflict of interest.

The problem isn’t capitalism as a concept, the problem is that the current implementation of capitalism is broken to the point where Musk isn’t being held accountable.



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crissindahouse on 03 September 2023

Musk will say his usual "freedom of speech"..."people are to decide what's right or wrong and no regulated news" and so on.

In reality he's just that insane guy who wants to be the world ruler which you know from movies. I find it also pretty concerning how much NASA and others rely on him now. He really doesn't sound like the guy who just want to improve humanity even though that's what he says.

I just hope at least the EU commission will stop his plans somehow. He pretty much openly says that he wants to make all other apps/services irrelevant with X to be for everything in the future. Phone calls, shopping, news, for Video creators and so on. I mean...seriously? Give him even more power



Pyro as Bill on 03 September 2023
EpicRandy said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Why are countries debating F-16s? Just give Ukraine nukes already.

Well this is obviously an over exegeration but just in case it isn't, there's simply no outcome with nukes that will bring stability to ukraine and that won't bring unstability to a lot more countries.

I know that the situation appears quite simple, and at face value it is, Russia is an agressor and a true terrorist state, it must be stops and we should do everything to make it happens. The problem is, Russian have allies which I'll put into 2 categories, slaves regime like Belarus, and countries with strong anti-west views like China. The problem is obviously with the latters as the former does not really move the needle much.

The issue with countries like China is that they're now stuck between multiple positions which I'll simplify to 2:

1) The russian agression is so obvious and so uncontestably wrong and bad that China cannot support them outright.

2) China cannot support a country which want to join and is being supported by the West.

So China does not voice a strong position either way, all the while profiteering from cheap discounted russian oil and willfully ignoring all atrocities russians perpetrates in Ukraine by simply using "uncertainty" or other scapegoat to do nothing.

This put Nato and the west on thin ice. They need to support Ukraine andRussia must loose, yet, if they overdo something it may help China "justify" a support for Russia. Which would extremly bad for Ukraine and world stability. So the status quo of China sitting on the fence must be preserved, therefore, Russia must loose but must loose while in Ukrainians battlefield, not with Ukrainians army in Russia and certainly not with nukes.

It truly sucks, but WW3 would even more.

Idgaf about 'muh escalation'. I get that the US has an opportunity to outplay China by bringing Russia onside and it could easily swing in the opposite direction but had we sent 2 years ago what we've sent since, Russia would be on their arse.

Ukraine has obeyed when we told them Western weapons can't be used on Russia proper. If Russia is willing to blow up a nuclear power station and multiple dams, it's only fair Ukraine has the option to make their own land inaccessible to an invading army.

TLDR: Russia is bluffing and they're not even good at it. Don't call them, raise them.



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