Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

[Pyro as Bill]

EpicRandy said:

Pyro as Bill said:

Why are countries debating F-16s? Just give Ukraine nukes already.

Well this is obviously an over exegeration but just in case it isn't, there's simply no outcome with nukes that will bring stability to ukraine and that won't bring unstability to a lot more countries.

I know that the situation appears quite simple, and at face value it is, Russia is an agressor and a true terrorist state, it must be stops and we should do everything to make it happens. The problem is, Russian have allies which I'll put into 2 categories, slaves regime like Belarus, and countries with strong anti-west views like China. The problem is obviously with the latters as the former does not really move the needle much.

The issue with countries like China is that they're now stuck between multiple positions which I'll simplify to 2:

1) The russian agression is so obvious and so uncontestably wrong and bad that China cannot support them outright.

2) China cannot support a country which want to join and is being supported by the West.

So China does not voice a strong position either way, all the while profiteering from cheap discounted russian oil and willfully ignoring all atrocities russians perpetrates in Ukraine by simply using "uncertainty" or other scapegoat to do nothing.

This put Nato and the west on thin ice. They need to support Ukraine andRussia must loose, yet, if they overdo something it may help China "justify" a support for Russia. Which would extremly bad for Ukraine and world stability. So the status quo of China sitting on the fence must be preserved, therefore, Russia must loose but must loose while in Ukrainians battlefield, not with Ukrainians army in Russia and certainly not with nukes.

It truly sucks, but WW3 would even more.

Idgaf about 'muh escalation'. I get that the US has an opportunity to outplay China by bringing Russia onside and it could easily swing in the opposite direction but had we sent 2 years ago what we've sent since, Russia would be on their arse.

Ukraine has obeyed when we told them Western weapons can't be used on Russia proper. If Russia is willing to blow up a nuclear power station and multiple dams, it's only fair Ukraine has the option to make their own land inaccessible to an invading army.

TLDR: Russia is bluffing and they're not even good at it. Don't call them, raise them.