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CaptainExplosion on 12 June 2023
crissindahouse said:

France really has to step up their military help for Ukraine (Italy as well). Just checked their equipment and they have a lot. Some hundred Leclerc in storage. Thousands of kinda modern IFVs and APCs and so on. And how big is their military support for Ukraine since the war began? 400 million..

Every country could help more but considering how the Eastern European countries already gave like everything away they could, especially France and Italy really need to step up their game looking at the amount of vehicles which Ukraine loses now. Countries like Poland just don't have hundreds of Soviet tanks anymore which they gave Ukraine the first year of the war

Russia's industry is in full war mode now and our politicians are still scared of spending more than the minimum. You see Macron everywhere but in the end it's almost no difference with or without France.

America needs to send Ukraine Apaches. It's time to give Russians the same feeling of dread that Saddam's troops got in the 90s. Apaches are flying death machines that should be used on Russia.



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crissindahouse on 12 June 2023
Ryuu96 said:
crissindahouse said:

France really has to step up their military help for Ukraine (Italy as well). Just checked their equipment and they have a lot. Some hundred Leclerc in storage. Thousands of kinda modern IFVs and APCs and so on. And how big is their military support for Ukraine since the war began? 400 million..

Every country could help more but considering how the Eastern European countries already gave like everything away they could, especially France and Italy really need to step up their game looking at the amount of vehicles which Ukraine loses now. Countries like Poland just don't have hundreds of Soviet tanks anymore which they gave Ukraine the first year of the war

Russia's industry is in full war mode now and our politicians are still scared of spending more than the minimum. You see Macron everywhere but in the end it's almost no difference with or without France.

Agreed...You can say stuff about Germany at least having a...not so prepared military, but France is on paper the strongest EU military power and I feel like they could be doing a lot more than they are doing. Like...France should be leading the charge, not UK, Lol. France shouldn't need UK to move first before they send LeClerc's (which they still haven't) and where is SCALP.

Every Western country should do more because they live in the luxury of having the Eastern European countries sitting between them and Russia, who is going to take the blunt of Russia's force should they ever attack? Eastern Europe.

And France shows very little desire to help America with Taiwan too, at the same time, France keeps saying about how EU should remove its dependency on America and increase their military investment but France isn't showing they can be a leader in that respect.

Macron frustrates me.

Germany should also do more but we really fucked up our own military the last decade(s) and simply don't have much heavy equipment which works properly. But at least we have a better defense minister now and we send expensive air defense equipment, radars, bridge laying equipment and so on. We also did some decent stuff with the "Ringtausch" to enable other countries to help more. And we took millions of Refugees (estimated costs for refugees were around 11 billion till February). But it's like the only money which comes from France is their part of the the EU budget which they can't really control. Same with Italy. Without their part of the EU budget, even Japan's (yeah, really) and The Netherland's aid would be in front of France and Italy. And even small countries like Denmark spend more for military aid. 



crissindahouse on 12 June 2023
CaptainExplosion said:
crissindahouse said:

France really has to step up their military help for Ukraine (Italy as well). Just checked their equipment and they have a lot. Some hundred Leclerc in storage. Thousands of kinda modern IFVs and APCs and so on. And how big is their military support for Ukraine since the war began? 400 million..

Every country could help more but considering how the Eastern European countries already gave like everything away they could, especially France and Italy really need to step up their game looking at the amount of vehicles which Ukraine loses now. Countries like Poland just don't have hundreds of Soviet tanks anymore which they gave Ukraine the first year of the war

Russia's industry is in full war mode now and our politicians are still scared of spending more than the minimum. You see Macron everywhere but in the end it's almost no difference with or without France.

America needs to send Ukraine Apaches. It's time to give Russians the same feeling of dread that Saddam's troops got in the 90s. Apaches are flying death machines that should be used on Russia.

I'm not sure but I think it's much harder nowadays with better air defense possibilities. Even Russia has some decent tech which they can use if those Apaches would come close enough. They can't just fly over those trenches, they can only shoot from miles away.  



Ryuu96 on 12 June 2023

Oreo-maker Mondelez Faces Nordic Backlash Over Russia Business | Reuters

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VOLKEL AIR BASE, Netherlands June 12 (Reuters) - Ukrainian pilots could begin training to fly U.S.-manufacture F-16 fighter jets as soon as this summer, the Dutch defense minister has told Reuters, a first step toward supplying Kyiv with a powerful, long-term capability in its war with Russia.

NATO allies the Netherlands and Denmark are leading an international coalition to train pilots and support staff, maintain aircraft and ultimately supply F-16s to Ukraine. Previously, the Netherlands had said it aimed to start training Ukrainian pilots "as soon as possible", but had stopped short of specifying when such training could get under way.

"This summer is our ambition. And we'll see if that's realistic" for the start of the training programme, Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren told Reuters in an interview.

She said the aim would be to have the training programme fully operational within six months. Denmark, where there are flight simulators, is a possible location to host the program.

A final decision has not yet been taken on a request from Kyiv to supply dozens of F-16s, Ollongren said. The U.S.-backed training program will include Belgium and Luxembourg, while France and Britain have offered assistance, she said.

Exclusive: Coalition aims to begin Ukrainian F-16 pilot training by summer - Dutch minister | Reuters



Ryuu96 on 12 June 2023

More from the Bradley situation, they were first hit by an ATGM and then ran into a tank mine.

Explains where the Bradley was shooting at in the prior video.



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