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Hopefully it is air launched because ground launched will be a huge reduction in range. Air launched is risky though, Ukraine has to fly high at high altitudes which will put them on Russia's radars so they'd have to launch it away from contested space. Even if the range is reduced, it's a powerful missile.

Hopefully it breaks the taboo though and we can get ATACMS finally.

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Hopefully NATO doesn't share any information with Hungary.

Country is ran by lunatics.

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Cobretti2 said:

Been a while see there has been Russian news in Australia lol

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/madness-russia-furious-over-kaliningrad-name-change/news-story/489faf6673cb2131dfd30053e913b6ad

Citing a recommendation by a state commission tasked with standardising foreign names in the Polish language, Poland’s development minister Waldemar Buda said Kaliningrad would now officially be called Königsberg — Królewiec in Polish.

Moscow reacted furiously.

“It’s not even Russophobia anymore, these are processes close to madness that are going on in Poland,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

“It brings no good to Poland. These are not just unfriendly actions: these are hostile actions,” he added.

Poland shot back, saying that Kalinin was to blame for the notorious Katyn massacre, during which 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia were killed by the Soviet Union’s political police in a forest near Smolensk in 1940.

“The fact of naming a large city close to our border after Kalinin, a criminal co-responsible for, among others, issuing the decision on the mass murder of Polish officers in Katyn in 1940, evokes negative emotions in Poles,” Mr Buda said.

The Soviet Union had long denied responsibility for the killings, accusing the Nazis of the crime, before admitting the truth in 1990.

Its also a storm in a teacup - lots of countries typical list place names in their own language. For instance, England isn't called England in other European countries (ie Angleterre in French, Inglaterra in Spanish). 'Germany' is the English name for Deutschland.

Recently Wales renamed a national park to Bannau Brycheiniog - its historical Welsh name. Some English people got angry calling it 'anti-English' and they'd keep calling it Brecon Beacons. Well, of course they would - English speakers typically will struggle to say the Welsh name so will go with what they know as its easier. Russia just seem to lose all perspective here.



Ryuu96 said:

Questions still about how Ukraine is launching them, they're air launched missiles so Ukraine either adapted them to ground or adapted them to their current planes which Storm Shadow wasn't made for.

Since they are no air to air missiles which have to constantly exchange data with the targeting computer of the plane I would imagine that they can be pre programmed with a target and the plane is just a carrier which will fly them to the designated shooting position, release it and say goodbye.

The only thing I am concerned about is that these range examples are measured from the frontlines where Russian air defence is strong. So the planes would have to release those missiles from a safe distance many miles behind the front lines, effectively reducing their range. As long as the pilots aren't absolute daredevils (which some of them admittedly are ) it will be hard to hit the Crimean bridge... but at least it is not impossible anymore.



Cobretti2 said:

Been a while see there has been Russian news in Australia lol

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/madness-russia-furious-over-kaliningrad-name-change/news-story/489faf6673cb2131dfd30053e913b6ad

Citing a recommendation by a state commission tasked with standardising foreign names in the Polish language, Poland’s development minister Waldemar Buda said Kaliningrad would now officially be called Königsberg — Królewiec in Polish.

Moscow reacted furiously.

“It’s not even Russophobia anymore, these are processes close to madness that are going on in Poland,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

“It brings no good to Poland. These are not just unfriendly actions: these are hostile actions,” he added.

Poland shot back, saying that Kalinin was to blame for the notorious Katyn massacre, during which 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia were killed by the Soviet Union’s political police in a forest near Smolensk in 1940.

“The fact of naming a large city close to our border after Kalinin, a criminal co-responsible for, among others, issuing the decision on the mass murder of Polish officers in Katyn in 1940, evokes negative emotions in Poles,” Mr Buda said.

The Soviet Union had long denied responsibility for the killings, accusing the Nazis of the crime, before admitting the truth in 1990.

Waiting for the Germans to name it Königsberg again in 3... 2... 1...



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Ryuu96 said:

No, but Austria-Hungary's inflexibility in 1914 turned a political dispute with Serbia into WW1, so shut up Mr Army Chief.



GaoGaiGarV said:
Ryuu96 said:

Questions still about how Ukraine is launching them, they're air launched missiles so Ukraine either adapted them to ground or adapted them to their current planes which Storm Shadow wasn't made for.

Since they are no air to air missiles which have to constantly exchange data with the targeting computer of the plane I would imagine that they can be pre programmed with a target and the plane is just a carrier which will fly them to the designated shooting position, release it and say goodbye.

The only thing I am concerned about is that these range examples are measured from the frontlines where Russian air defence is strong. So the planes would have to release those missiles from a safe distance many miles behind the front lines, effectively reducing their range. As long as the pilots aren't absolute daredevils (which some of them admittedly are ) it will be hard to hit the Crimean bridge... but at least it is not impossible anymore.

Definitely. Crimean bridge is off the table for now. If Ukraine reaches the Sea of Azov one day though, that bridge is fucked.

Their range is definitely going to be hampered by Ukrainians having to shoot them from a safe distance as you said. But should open up new targets to Ukraine still, a powerful warhead and another taboo broken, which I hope will push other countries to send their own long-range missiles.

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CONFIRMED

The UK is sending long-range missiles to Ukraine, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has confirmed.

The minister said that Storm Shadows missiles will be provided to Ukraine's military.

Storm Shadow Missiles: UK Sending Long-Range Weapons to Ukraine, Defence Secretary Confirms | Politics News | Sky News

LFG!

Now to learn how they're being launched, or maybe that will be kept secret.

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