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Rhonin the wizard on 22 September 2022


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SecondWar on 22 September 2022
Rhonin the wizard said:

https://youtu.be/QtEljxur6eI



Cobretti2 on 22 September 2022

Well now that I have slept in it.

It would be such a mental gut wrenching feeling knowing your army would be killing untrained men that were forced to go to war that want no part of it.

I think Ukraine should try to capture these mobilised soldiers if possible through negotiations and not kill them. Then when time is right, ship them back home east, whilst telling them they should hold a referendum to leave Russia haha. How funny would that be if they form their own country.

Hmm could they have a remote referendum in Ukraine as most of their population would be there ...



 

 

GaoGaiGarV on 22 September 2022

Well that's a bummer...
If Russia mixes concrete into that pile of dirt the HIMARS rockets will mostly evaporate into nothingness. Ukraine also can't destroy the sluice gates to sabotage the "construction" of that heap or they would flood the Kherson region and it would possibly negatively affect water supply for agriculture in the following years.
And even if they would be given the big firecrackers the Russians could simply pour more cheap dirt into the pit.
The last hope is that Russia can't find a solution for that small piece of bridge right next to the dam. Ukraine could also constantly attack the rails but Russia can fix them rather quickly. One rocket a day would probably be more expensive than the repairs.



OdinHades on 23 September 2022

Just tagging this great thread again. Thanks a bunch for your effort, Ryuu96.



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SecondWar on 23 September 2022
Ryuu96 said:

If that is going to happen, you'd think it happens pretty much now as citizens are rounded up for military service. Otherwise, who exactly is going to fight the war?



Cobretti2 on 23 September 2022
SecondWar said:
Ryuu96 said:

Not content with trying to genocide Ukraine, Putin is deciding to genocide certain ethnicities of Russia too.

Going to destroy Russia in an attempt to destroy Ukraine and nobody is stopping him.

Hopefully Ukraine receives ATACMS soon, all Russia has against the West is empty threats.

He likely knows that these Russians are unlikely to change much long-term unless Russia suddenly fixes its training, leadership, logistics, morale, equipment, etc. But he's trying to drag the war out in the hope that the West relents in their aid to Ukraine but also a good opportunity for him to get rid of ethnicities he doesn't like, complete scumbag.

What I wonder is the unintended consequence. If these ethnic republics round up men of fighting age an equip them for war, these men could theoretically choose to mutiny whilst in their home republics against Russia and try to separate from Russia. A lot of these republics are headed by Russian loyalist but usually ones from the local republic (like Chechnya) so its not unthinkable (even if the Chechnya example is unlikely).

No way they will get a gun lol.

They will use the old WW2 tactic, queue front man has the gone, once he dies man behind him picks up and shoots at the enemy.



 

 

SecondWar on 23 September 2022
Cobretti2 said:
SecondWar said:

What I wonder is the unintended consequence. If these ethnic republics round up men of fighting age an equip them for war, these men could theoretically choose to mutiny whilst in their home republics against Russia and try to separate from Russia. A lot of these republics are headed by Russian loyalist but usually ones from the local republic (like Chechnya) so its not unthinkable (even if the Chechnya example is unlikely).

No way they will get a gun lol.

They will use the old WW2 tactic, queue front man has the gone, once he dies man behind him picks up and shoots at the enemy.

That's a WW1 tactic.



drkohler on 23 September 2022
SecondWar said:
Cobretti2 said:

No way they will get a gun lol.

They will use the old WW2 tactic, queue front man has the gone, once he dies man behind him picks up and shoots at the enemy.

That's a WW1 tactic.

No, this is how the South fought in the Civil War from roughly half-time. Less than half the Southern militia had any guns (or shoes, or appropriate clothing). Watch Ken Burns and learn...