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Just sharing some beautifull sunrising picutres:





I mean a picture of a Russian LNG Tanker(Metagaz) getting blown up (shared by a merchant vessel)






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shavenferret said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

While it's capped, Russia was due to the low oil prices actually forced to sell quite below their cap recently. Of course now that the prices jump up again and the uncertainty about the oil supply from the middle east means that Russia can sell at the cap again.

And of course, Russia has a large shadow fleet with which they can circumvent the cap entirely and sell at market prices.

All in all, Russia's income will go up significantly if the oil price continues to go up, and the Russian economy desperately needs more funds as their economy is increasingly shaky.

As for the drones, Russia is fully independent from Iran by now. markings on the downed or unexploded drones don't show anything Iranian anymore for over half a year now, only Russian markings, meaning that they are now producing them all domestically.

Also, rockets? The rockets Iran uses are mostly of soviet origin. They can do all of them themselves. Those that aren't are either very old (like the predecessor of the Javelin ATGMs, which the US phased out in 2001 and Iran copied in 2016, or their original Fateh rockets), so Russia has better alternatives already, or very new (like their copy of the Israeli SPIKE or their newer Fateh designs) and thus in low numbers Iran wouldn't have sold anyway. pretty much all rockets Iran has are derived from the Soviet Scud missiles anyway.

Iran was useful for mostly the Shahed drones, which Russia licensed a long time ago. Iran getting attacked will disturb them as much as a fly buzzing around, while the increased money flow more than outshines any inconveniences from losing Iran as a trading partner.

The oil income is doing pretty bad right now from Ukraine's constant attacks on the refineries, and now the worldwide crackdown on the shadow fleet.  

True, but India and China will now certainly buy more Russian oil again, especially if Iran blocks the strait of Hormuz again, and there are pipelines for those. The oil fields east of the Urals are pretty hard to hit for Ukraine due to sheer distance, and refineries are most of the time quickly (as in 1-3 weeks) back at production.



konnichiwa said:

Just sharing some beautifull sunrising picutres:





I mean a picture of a Russian LNG Tanker(Metagaz) getting blown up (shared by a merchant vessel)

Nice those LNG ships are quite expensive to build, around 200 million per boat.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Ukraine looking at how half of Europe helps to shoot down Iranian rockets and drones now while nobody ever shot anything down for Ukraine the last 4 years. Thousands of lives lost and billions in damages because helping to shoot down Russian rockets and drones wasn't worth it for European countries...not even rockets a thousand miles away from Russia. 



crissindahouse said:

Ukraine looking at how half of Europe helps to shoot down Iranian rockets and drones now while nobody ever shot anything down for Ukraine the last 4 years. Thousands of lives lost and billions in damages because helping to shoot down Russian rockets and drones wasn't worth it for European countries...not even rockets a thousand miles away from Russia. 

They all stand by Ukraine, but only in a limited sense bc they want to slowly bleed Russia dry. Sad that the big picture makes you lose compassion for others. 



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shavenferret said:
crissindahouse said:

Ukraine looking at how half of Europe helps to shoot down Iranian rockets and drones now while nobody ever shot anything down for Ukraine the last 4 years. Thousands of lives lost and billions in damages because helping to shoot down Russian rockets and drones wasn't worth it for European countries...not even rockets a thousand miles away from Russia. 

They all stand by Ukraine, but only in a limited sense bc they want to slowly bleed Russia dry. Sad that the big picture makes you lose compassion for others. 

My girlfriend is Ukrainian and her city just a few miles away from Poland got bombed while she visited her grandparents without any European country trying to shoot the rockets down so sorry that I hate to see how much is possible to save humans, buildings and infrastructure if you just want to.

Doesn't mean I don't like to see Europe helping others. Just horrible how they don't do the same for a European country.



crissindahouse said:

Ukraine looking at how half of Europe helps to shoot down Iranian rockets and drones now while nobody ever shot anything down for Ukraine the last 4 years. Thousands of lives lost and billions in damages because helping to shoot down Russian rockets and drones wasn't worth it for European countries...not even rockets a thousand miles away from Russia. 

To be fair, the drones and rockets that they want to shoot down are either:

  1. Targeting a base they have in the region
  2. Targeting a third country not otherwise part of the war

Neither of which would apply in Ukraine.

Moldova got some protection in the same way when Russia started sending their drones a bit too far to hit Ukraine, too, so it's not without precedent in the Ukraine war. But those instances were pretty limited compared to Iran shooting around like they'd like to hit every inch if terrain in the Middle East.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
crissindahouse said:

Ukraine looking at how half of Europe helps to shoot down Iranian rockets and drones now while nobody ever shot anything down for Ukraine the last 4 years. Thousands of lives lost and billions in damages because helping to shoot down Russian rockets and drones wasn't worth it for European countries...not even rockets a thousand miles away from Russia. 

To be fair, the drones and rockets that they want to shoot down are either:

  1. Targeting a base they have in the region
  2. Targeting a third country not otherwise part of the war

Neither of which would apply in Ukraine.

Moldova got some protection in the same way when Russia started sending their drones a bit too far to hit Ukraine, too, so it's not without precedent in the Ukraine war. But those instances were pretty limited compared to Iran shooting around like they'd like to hit every inch if terrain in the Middle East.

Don't really see why protecting countries not part of a war is different to protecting the sky of a country which is part of the war because another country wants to invade them. 

In both cases you just shoot something down to protect. You aren't supposed to kill Russian pilots. 

And since Russia even has as example North Korean soldiers on their side I see even less of a problem to do that. They have foreign soldiers but you can't destroy some drones? Ok...



crissindahouse said:
shavenferret said:

They all stand by Ukraine, but only in a limited sense bc they want to slowly bleed Russia dry. Sad that the big picture makes you lose compassion for others. 

My girlfriend is Ukrainian and her city just a few miles away from Poland got bombed while she visited her grandparents without any European country trying to shoot the rockets down so sorry that I hate to see how much is possible to save humans, buildings and infrastructure if you just want to.

Doesn't mean I don't like to see Europe helping others. Just horrible how they don't do the same for a European country.

Your heart is certainly in the right place bc Ukraine actually needs help now. 



Trump helping Russia again

US gives India "30-day waiver" to allow some Russian oil sales

The United States has given India a “30-day waiver” to purchase Russian oil currently stranded at sea as the conflict in the Middle East continues to cause energy disruptions.

“To enable oil to keep flowing into the global market, the Treasury Department is issuing a temporary 30-day waiver to allow Indian refiners to purchase Russian oil,” US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in a post on X. “This deliberately short-term measure will not provide significant financial benefit to the Russian government as it only authorizes transactions involving oil already stranded at sea.”

The announcement comes amid growing energy supply fears and as the Trump administration scrambles to limit the economic fallout from the war in the Middle East. It also comes months after Trump slapped India with tariffs in a bid to pressure its government to stop purchasing Moscow’s crude.

India emerged as one of Russia’s largest buyers of crude oil after the invasion of Ukraine, but the country has been cutting back in recent months in response to pressure from Washington.