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Last edited by shavenferret - on 15 April 2025

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Ryuu96 said:

We're at the stage where Trump even refuses to sell weapons to Ukraine, despite them saying they would be willing to buy the weapons, I thought Trump liked money? I suppose his love of Putin outweighs his love of money. They told us that this was about not giving Ukraine handouts, they told us Ukraine can't "keep taking money off Americans" but when Zelenskyy outright says he will be willing to buy the military equipment with Ukraine's own funds, Trump says no, he isn't allowed, so all the excuses they used prior were obvious bullshit.

Trump has fully turned on Zelenskyy: "He's always looking to purchase missiles. Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know you can win a war. You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 14 April 2025 at 16:56

Meanwhile he's bragging about giving away billions to Israel.

🇺🇸🇮🇱 Trump: I am the best US president Israel could ever dream of. We give Israel $4 billion a year and we will continue to do so.

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— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 7 April 2025 at 21:00

he's more slippery than a wrench covered in motor oil, and just about as useless



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

We're at the stage where Trump even refuses to sell weapons to Ukraine, despite them saying they would be willing to buy the weapons, I thought Trump liked money? I suppose his love of Putin outweighs his love of money. They told us that this was about not giving Ukraine handouts, they told us Ukraine can't "keep taking money off Americans" but when Zelenskyy outright says he will be willing to buy the military equipment with Ukraine's own funds, Trump says no, he isn't allowed, so all the excuses they used prior were obvious bullshit.

Trump has fully turned on Zelenskyy: "He's always looking to purchase missiles. Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know you can win a war. You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 14 April 2025 at 16:56

Well, looks like European rearmement will accelerate even more to make up for the American shortfall.

In the meantime, Ukraine will have one serious shortage, and that's Patriot missiles.

France and Italy developed the Aster missile family that is equal if not better than Patriot in it's terrestrial SAMP/T form (there's also a differently named naval version), but those are in very short supply, both the launchers and the rockets. Ukraine only has one (potentially 2, Italy announced the future shipment of a second system in June 2024 but no news of it's delivery in the meantime) system, which absolutely won't be enough to protect Ukrainian skies from any long-range missiles and aircraft.

MDBA and Thalès in France and Italy need to seriously step up their production to get enough launchers and missiles for Ukraine and then the rest of Europe later down the line

I read this the other day and you just jogged my memory of reading the article. But, Ukraine is developing its own missile defense, and it should be "ok", but not great. Ukraine may be fielding this next year sometime.

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/ukraine_develops_strategic_air_defense_system_invites_eu_to_join_the_effort-14184.html



US Blocking G7 Statement Denouncing Russia's Sumy Strike, Bloomberg Reports



I think we need a European campaign on avoiding US products and services as much as possible, and start developing our own in any way possible



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dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I think we need a European campaign on avoiding US products and services as much as possible, and start developing our own in any way possible

This site may help, it lists many European products and services that can be bought and used instead of American ones.

For instance, did you know that there's an European Laptop and PC maker called Slimbook in Spain? And that you can fully configure their laptops before buying, including keyboard layout and a plethora of operating systems to choose - even with a dual boot option? Had I known them before, I think I would have bought my laptop there, as it's creative one is beefy, customizable and not expensive.

Also, there's a Chrome plugin from them which pops up every time you visit an American site when there's an European alternative.

As for services, Europe is developing them. The problem isn't that there aren't any, it's more that they're not known by a wider mass of people.

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🇺🇸🚫🇺🇦 Trump refuses $50 billion deal: he does not want to supply Ukraine with weapons even for money, — BILD

❗️Despite Ukraine’s urgent need for Patriot systems and missiles for them, the Trump team is not even interested in the possibility of selling these complexes.

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— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 16 April 2025 at 14:11

Because it was never about money or "repaying Americans" but him trying to save Putin. Even more reasons that Europe should move entirely off American weapons, if NATO was attacked by Russia, America wouldn't aid us, even for money, they've made their allegiance clear. You used to at least be able to count on that America is a capitalist whore and would do whatever brings them money but we can't even count on that anymore, this America is completely different, it is Russia aligned.

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Trump probably can't even comprehend that this makes him, and by extension the US, look VERY unreliable when it comes to weapon sales.

Potential buyers will think twice about buying American military hardware now, pushing them to buy either European/Canadian/Australian/South Korean equipment if they're locked into NATO standard and to China/India/Russia (when they can export again) for those who don't and might have switched otherwise.

Considering how many Billions the US arms industry is making from exports, having this crushing down from a lack of new contracts will hurt the US a lot, as the US Armed Forces won't be able to make up for the shortfall without a massive spending increase, for which they lack the financial reserves now.



Bofferbrauer2 said:

Trump probably can't even comprehend (...)

It's like that on all sorts of topics.



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