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shavenferret said:

The russian oil market has collapsed, as prices are in the low 50's per barrel over there. I see articles saying that the oil companies aren't making a profit when spot prices are lower than $60 or so per barrel. But i'm sure that Ukraine can help Russia figure out which refineries should be shut down.

Here's an article for reference.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/russian-urals-oil-prices-fell-lowest-level-since-2023-brent-price-collapsed-2025-04-07/

After some digging and a helpful TLDR video linked below, $64 is what is needed for shale oil companies to make a profit. For Russia, this is much lower however, at around $20, si they're still making a lot of profit from the oil... but just enough to finance the war. Now that Saudi-Arabia has opened the floodgates, new oil fields in South America have started pumping and the risks of a recession are growing bigger and bigger, the oil price will most certainly drop even lower, making it harder and harder for the Kremlin to finance the war.

It's also devastating for Trump, as instead of "Drill, baby drill!" there will be foreclosures as the oil price is now too low for shale oil production (even after the recovery yesterday it still only got up to $62 and is already back down to $60 when 10 days ago it sat at almost $72.50), making the US now MORE energy dependent than before.



NEW YORK/WASHINGTON, April 11 (Reuters) - Less than 48 hours after dining with a negotiator sent by Russian President Vladimir Putin in Washington last week, Steve Witkoff, the U.S. special envoy leading talks with Moscow, sat down with President Donald Trump in the White House and delivered a clear message.

The fastest way to broker a ceasefire in Ukraine, said Witkoff, was to support a strategy that would give Russia ownership of four eastern Ukrainian regions it attempted to annex illegally in 2022, two U.S. officials and five people familiar with the situation told Reuters.

It was a point Witkoff had made previously – and publicly in a podcast interview with conservative media personality Tucker Carlson last month – but one that Kyiv has repeatedly rejected and that some U.S. and European officials have dismissed as a maximalist Russian demand.

In the meeting with Trump, General Keith Kellogg, the president’s Ukraine envoy, pushed back against Witkoff, saying Ukraine, though willing to negotiate some terms related to disputed land, would never agree to unilaterally cede total ownership of the territories to Russia, said two of the sources.

The meeting ended without Trump making a decision to change the U.S. strategy. Witkoff traveled to Russia Friday to meet Putin.

Trump administration officials are increasingly at odds over how to break the deadlock between Ukraine and Russia, with Witkoff and Kellogg - who favors more direct support for Ukraine - disagreeing on the best course forward, according to the U.S. officials and people familiar with the matter and four Western diplomats who are in touch with administration officials.

In a break with normal security procedures, Witkoff had invited Kirill Dmitriev, the Russian envoy who is under U.S. sanctions following Russia's invasion, to his personal residence for dinner before the White House meeting.

That set off alarms inside the White House and the State Department, according to two people familiar with the situation. U.S. officials avoid hosting officials from Russia – which has sophisticated intelligence capabilities – to their homes.

The dinner was rescheduled and took place at the White House instead.

Some Republicans on Capitol Hill were so concerned about Witkoff's apparent pro-Russia stance in the Carlson interview that several called National Security Adviser Mike Waltz and Secretary of State Marco Rubio afterward to complain, according to a person familiar with the calls.

"Witkoff must go, and Rubio must take his place," read a March 26 letter from Eric Levine, a major Republican donor. The letter, sent to a group including Republican donors and seen by Reuters, was written after the Carlson interview and a Fox News appearance, and criticized Witkoff for praising Putin.

Trump envoy's embrace of Russian demands worries Republicans, U.S. allies | Reuters



The crazy thing is if a Democratic President and his band of men acted this way the republican would be up in arms. I am sure many republicans think Trump has lost the plot but they do nothing.



 

 

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Trump says "talks are going well, Ukraine-Russia might be going 'ok' and you will be finding out pretty soon." Another nothingburger.

Meanwhile: daily civilian deaths from FPVs, air-dropped bombs, Shaheds, missiles, and artillery.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 09:05

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Central Sumy is in flames. Cars burning. Bodies on the streets. A Russian missile hit a trolleybus — on Palm Sunday. Let that sink in.

This isn’t war. It’s deliberate, cold-blooded terror.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 09:18

Video from the Sumy Regional Military Administration regarding today's Russian ballistic missile strike. There are dead and wounded...

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 09:33

Sumy... 😪

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 09:44

Heartbreaking footage from Sumy. The number of injured has increased to 83 already of which 7 are children, Minister of Internal Affairs Ihor Klymenko said.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 10:46

The number of people killed by Russia in Sumy today has risen to 24.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 11:24

A missile with cluster munitions — used deliberately to kill as many civilians as possible. The strike on the city of Sumy was a conscious attack on civilians, says Head of the Presidential Office, Andriy Yermak.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 11:25

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Trump says "talks are going well, Ukraine-Russia might be going 'ok' and you will be finding out pretty soon." Another nothingburger.

Meanwhile: daily civilian deaths from FPVs, air-dropped bombs, Shaheds, missiles, and artillery.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 09:05

🕯️Sumy. As of 13:00, 24 people are known to have been killed, including 1 child, as a result of a Russian terrorist attack with two ballistic missiles. 84 people were injured, including 7 children.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) 13 April 2025 at 11:29

This is an absolute nightmare. In Sumy, following a strike by terrorists from the Russian Federation, there are already 83 injured and dozens of civilians killed. The Kremlin butcher openly mocks the notion of “negotiations” and continues his genocide of the Ukrainian people.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) 13 April 2025 at 11:13

😢🙏 Footage from a trolleybus that was hit by a ballistic missile in Sumy…

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— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 13 April 2025 at 10:49


Trump says "talks are going well, Ukraine-Russia might be going 'ok' and you will be finding out pretty soon." Another nothingburger.

Meanwhile: daily civilian deaths from FPVs, air-dropped bombs, Shaheds, missiles, and artillery.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 09:05

Russia just killed dozens of Ukrainians in a missile strike on Palm Sunday, a day after Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff met Putin, shook hands and posed for cameras. Witkoff visited an Orthodox Christian cathedral. Today church-goers were targeted.
Report w/ @maxseddon.bsky.social
on.ft.com/42k2tuc

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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.ft.com) 13 April 2025 at 11:37

Russia struck a kindergarten in Kharkiv’s Kyivskyi district. Windows shattered, facade damaged. Nearby apartment buildings also hit according to Kharkiv mayor Terekhov.

— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 April 2025 at 11:42

Palm Sunday



Russia won't be free of the disease it has until every single government official, military leader and all collaborators with Putin have a bullet through their skull. Russia is a sick country. The only way it will ever change is a post-WW2 Germany/Japan style occupation by the allied countries. Impossible in the times of nukes existing, so it should be morally impossible to ever allow Russia back into our circle, during war and post war, it is a fucking disease on the world. It will not change. It will never be forced to change.

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Cobretti2 said:

The crazy thing is if a Democratic President and his band of men acted this way the republican would be up in arms. I am sure many republicans think Trump has lost the plot but they do nothing.

They probably think that since he's term-limited that they can take on the party at the next elections and for now profit from the fact that they are in power. But with someone like Trump, that's a pretty dangerous game to play.