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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Looks like America's bullshit has completely destroyed Conservatives lead in Canada. That and other factors of course but it looks like anti-American sentiment is good for political parties when America is deciding to attack literally everyone on the planet. I'll still not pop out the champagne, Conservatives still have a good chance of winning it seems, but it's good to see the collapse which will hopefully rein them in if they do win.

Wish the same would happen to Farage and Badenoch...

I doubt Badenoch will be leader of the Tories by next election anyway, if there is one thing Tories are good at, it is backstabbing their leaders when they aren't working out and Badenoch is very much not working out, Badenoch is just there to keep the seat warm until the next election until someone serious takes over, she is there to soak the hits after a Tory battering.

Farage is definitely an issue. The frustrating thing with the UK is that we're largely pro-Ukraine, largely anti-Russia, a lot of Brits dislike Trump and are apathetic towards America, but we vote for Farage who is Britain's Trump, all he has to say is "Immigrants" and he will receive thousands of votes, Lol. Then after 14 years of Tories destroying the economy, Labour is only given 4 months to fix things, Lmao.

UK's media is a problem too, it is full of right wing press, the biggest tabloids are far-right.

I think the key difference between America/Canada and America/UK though is that America has yet to attack UK in the same way they have with other countries, so the only possible attacks towards America are his treatment of Ukraine/Zelenskyy/Europe and the only ones doing that are Lib Dems and SNP. While Labour is very much sitting on the fence and trying to keep Trump on side.

Though Farage has recently came out and said Ukraine should be in NATO, but then he criticised Zelenskyy's behaviour, then he criticised JD Vance for his "random countries" comment, Lmao. Farage is a populist but he is struggling to blend his populism with his loyalty to Trump, if America/UK trade deal falls apart and Trump tariffs UK, I wonder what stance he will take then.

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The US has cut off intelligence-sharing with Kyiv in a move that could seriously hamper the Ukrainian military's ability to target Russian forces, according to officials familiar with the matter. US intelligence co-operation has been essential for Ukraine's ability to identify and strike Russian military targets. Two officials confirmed that Washington had frozen intelligence channels with Kyiv. But one of the officials said the US was still sharing intelligence on Russia and Ukraine with its closest allies, including the UK.

US Cuts Off Intelligence Sharing With Ukraine

According to the Daily Mail, UK intelligence agencies and military outlets have been ordered not to share any US-generated intelligence with Ukraine. The ban reportedly affects the likes of the UK Government’s Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), spy agencies and intelligence branches of the Ministry of Defence.

Donald Trump Bans UK From Sharing US Intelligence With Ukraine | The National

This would be very bad if true, US Intelligence is brilliant and the best in the world by a large margin, simply cutting it off from Ukraine would be sick but blocking UK from also sharing it with Ukraine would be beyond abhorrent. If true it would look like America simply wants Ukraine to be slaughtered into a surrender.

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CIA Director John Ratcliffe just told @MariaBartiromo U.S. paused weapons shipments AND intelligence to Ukraine in the fallout of meeting in the Oval Office. Ratcliffe says he looks forward to lifting the pause and working with Ukraine towards peace following the letter to POTUS. - Liveuamap.

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Ryuu96 said:

The US has cut off intelligence-sharing with Kyiv in a move that could seriously hamper the Ukrainian military's ability to target Russian forces, according to officials familiar with the matter. US intelligence co-operation has been essential for Ukraine's ability to identify and strike Russian military targets. Two officials confirmed that Washington had frozen intelligence channels with Kyiv. But one of the officials said the US was still sharing intelligence on Russia and Ukraine with its closest allies, including the UK.

US Cuts Off Intelligence Sharing With Ukraine

According to the Daily Mail, UK intelligence agencies and military outlets have been ordered not to share any US-generated intelligence with Ukraine. The ban reportedly affects the likes of the UK Government’s Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), spy agencies and intelligence branches of the Ministry of Defence.

Donald Trump Bans UK From Sharing US Intelligence With Ukraine | The National

This would be very bad if true, US Intelligence is brilliant and the best in the world by a large margin, simply cutting it off from Ukraine would be sick but blocking UK from also sharing it with Ukraine would be beyond abhorrent. If true it would look like America simply wants Ukraine to be slaughtered into a surrender.

Can't they just put an MI6 stamp on it and then say "look, it's our own intelligence we're sharing, not yours!"



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

The US has cut off intelligence-sharing with Kyiv in a move that could seriously hamper the Ukrainian military's ability to target Russian forces, according to officials familiar with the matter. US intelligence co-operation has been essential for Ukraine's ability to identify and strike Russian military targets. Two officials confirmed that Washington had frozen intelligence channels with Kyiv. But one of the officials said the US was still sharing intelligence on Russia and Ukraine with its closest allies, including the UK.

US Cuts Off Intelligence Sharing With Ukraine

According to the Daily Mail, UK intelligence agencies and military outlets have been ordered not to share any US-generated intelligence with Ukraine. The ban reportedly affects the likes of the UK Government’s Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), spy agencies and intelligence branches of the Ministry of Defence.

Donald Trump Bans UK From Sharing US Intelligence With Ukraine | The National

This would be very bad if true, US Intelligence is brilliant and the best in the world by a large margin, simply cutting it off from Ukraine would be sick but blocking UK from also sharing it with Ukraine would be beyond abhorrent. If true it would look like America simply wants Ukraine to be slaughtered into a surrender.

Can't they just put an MI6 stamp on it and then say "look, it's our own intelligence we're sharing, not yours!"

They fucking better.

Who gives a shit at this stage, America is an enemy, America is straight evil.



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  • Side with Russia in UN.
  • Negotiate with Russia without Ukraine and Europe.
  • Say Russia should be back in G7 after being kicked out for shooting down a commercial jet.
  • Demand Ukraine surrenders territory to Russia.
  • Demand Ukraine not be allowed in NATO.
  • Refuse to offer Ukraine any security assurances so Russia won't attack for the 3rd time.
  • Try to extort $500bn out of Ukraine and rape their country of its resources.
  • Cut off weapon supplies to Ukraine.
  • Cut off intelligence sharing with Ukraine and ban UK from sharing it too.

Meanwhile Russia hasn't made a single concession.

How long until we see.

  • America sharing intelligence data with Russia.
  • America supplying Russia with weapons.
  • America giving Zelenskyy's location over to Russia.
  • New trade deal with Russia-America.
  • Lifting all Russian sanctions.
  • Ban weapon exports to Ukraine from countries developing American weapons (Germany/Patriot Missiles).
  • Ban weapon exports to Ukraine from countries whose weapons use American technology (Storm Shadow).

I actually believe most of these are likely at this stage.



Shits like having your home invaded by an intruder who is trying to steal your items and murder your family, getting into a fight with them, the cop arriving and saying to you, the homeowner: "WHY AREN'T YOU INTERESTED IN PEACE?!" Shooting you in the arm and then leaving you alone with the intruder, saying "COME BACK TO ME WHEN YOU'RE INTERESTED IN PEACE" so the intruder can now batter you even more now that you only have one good arm.

Why on Earth would Russia even care about negotiating, especially now that America has just significantly weakened Ukraine, they've repeatedly said their goals haven't changed, the total surrender of Ukraine, Zelenskyy disposal, no security guarantees and a dismantled Ukrainian army, they want the whole of Kherson Oblast, Zaporizhia Oblast, Donestk Oblast, Luhansk Oblast, Kharkiv Oblast, Sumy Oblast, Kyiv Oblast, Chernihiv Oblast, etc. Why the fuck would America WEAKNING UKRAINE do anything except embolden Russia even more.

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Russia's economy was on the verge of collapse, they're losing thousands of soldiers to take a few km of land, their advancement had slowed to a crawl, Trump could have put the final nail in the coffin for Russia, he could have massively ramped up Ukraine military support and pressured Europe to do the same, shown Russia that their bet on Trump was a failure and they have to put up with this for at least another 4 years at minimum, he could have been known as the President that stood up to, and defeated Russia, they'd have been statues of him erected in Ukraine.

He could have even said "Biden was a coward, he was afraid of Russia and didn't give Ukraine what they needed to win, but I Donald Trump, am afraid of nobody!" and his fanbase clearly would have backed him up considering there's nothing he can do or say to turn them against him. Instead he wanted to suck Putin's dick and be remembered as the Neville Chamberlain of America (but far worse) all for some resources to enrich himself when he likely doesn't even have long left on the Earth due to his age and physical health.

He is a complete scumbag, he and all other Republicans are some of the biggest cowards on the planet.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 05 March 2025

Ryuu96 said:
  • Side with Russia in UN.
  • Negotiate with Russia without Ukraine and Europe.
  • Say Russia should be back in G7 after being kicked out for shooting down a commercial jet.
  • Demand Ukraine surrenders territory to Russia.
  • Demand Ukraine not be allowed in NATO.
  • Refuse to offer Ukraine any security assurances so Russia won't attack for the 3rd time.
  • Try to extort $500bn out of Ukraine and rape their country of its resources.
  • Cut off weapon supplies to Ukraine.
  • Cut off intelligence sharing with Ukraine and ban UK from sharing it too.

Meanwhile Russia hasn't made a single concession.

How long until we see.

  • America sharing intelligence data with Russia.
  • America supplying Russia with weapons.
  • America giving Zelenskyy's location over to Russia.
  • New trade deal with Russia-America.
  • Lifting all Russian sanctions.
  • Ban weapon exports to Ukraine from countries developing American weapons (Germany/Patriot Missiles).
  • Ban weapon exports to Ukraine from countries whose weapons use American technology (Storm Shadow).

I actually believe most of these are likely at this stage.

This just stopped unfortunately and from what i've read, America is also preventing the U.K. from providing intellligence as well.  I don't know if France or NATO can help but hopefully some nation can.  Ukraine has made a number of good strikes on targets that seem to be very well placed (such as training grounds, secret bases, etc) and i'm sure that America has helped by telling where these good targets are located.  



Ryuu96 said:

Russia's economy was on the verge of collapse, they're losing thousands of soldiers to take a few km of land, their advancement had slowed to a crawl, Trump could have put the final nail in the coffin for Russia, he could have massively ramped up Ukraine military support and pressured Europe to do the same, shown Russia that their bet on Trump was a failure and they have to put up with this for at least another 4 years at minimum, he could have been known as the President that stood up to, and defeated Russia, they'd have been statues of him erected in Ukraine.

He could have even said "Biden was a coward, he was afraid of Russia and didn't give Ukraine what they needed to win, but I Donald Trump, am afraid of nobody!" and his fanbase clearly would have backed him up considering there's nothing he can do or say to turn them against him. Instead he wanted to suck Putin's dick and be remembered as the Neville Chamberlain of America (but far worse) all for some resources to enrich himself when he likely doesn't even have long left on the Earth due to his age and physical health.

He is a complete scumbag, he and all other Republicans are some of the biggest cowards on the planet.

As weak as Chamberlain was, I doubt he ever considered to switch sides. Comparisons with Chamberlain work when you are talking about Biden or recent/current EU leaders, but they do not apply to Trump.

Breaking an alliance for foolish reasons and turning on your allies, resulting in the decline of one's own nation first and foremost, that's something that Hitler did during World War II when he attacked the Soviet Union and turned it into a war on two fronts that Germany couldn't possibly win. Hitler also happened to be a fascist, another thing Trump has in common with him.



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