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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 3 March 2025 at 13:06

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The US government believes that Ukraine must make territorial concessions. "This war must end, and that requires territorial concessions," said US National Security Advisor Mike Waltz. This, in turn, will require Russian concessions on security guarantees for Ukraine

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 3 March 2025 at 14:34



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Ukraine, Survation Poll:

Zelenkskyy (SN-RE): 44% (+13)
Zalunznhyi (*): 21% (new)
Poroshenko (YeS-EPP): 10% (-6)
Razumkov (KR/PR-*): 6% (new)
Tymoshenko (B-EPP): 6% (-8)
Arestovych (*): 4% (new)
Budanov (*): 3% (new)
Honcharenko (YeS-EPP): 2% (new)

+/- vs. last election

Fieldwork: 25-27 February 2025
Sample size: 1,008

Not Zaluzhnyi the former military general being #2! How does that help Trump's narrative! Though honestly, I think it would be closer than that in a full election, Zaluzhnyi was/is highly respected in Ukraine and at one point had higher approval than Zelenskyy and Zelenskyy dismissing him did hurt Zelenskyy's approval a little in Ukraine, then again, for Zaluzhnyi to hit 20% with such little government experience, no political party of his own and zero campaigning thus far is impressive. Budanov at 2.6% is kind of funny, Lol.

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Doocy: "I have been told by a senior official here that nothing is gonna happen with this minerals deal until Zelenskyy goes in front of cameras and makes an explicit public apology for the way he behaved in the Oval Office with that meeting."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 3 March 2025 at 17:32

These people are so fucking weird, do they want Zelenskyy to kiss Trump's feet live on TV as well? Like the level they're trying to humiliate him is fucking weird. Damn that Zelenskyy for daring to stand up to two people being dickheads to him and antagonising him! How dare he speak back to the Glorious American Empire!

After Trump called him a dictator, said he has a 4% approval rating, blamed him for Ukrainian deaths, sided with Russia, pushed Ukraine out of negotiations over its own country, Zelenskyy was then meant to sit there and listen to Trump and Vance spread even more bullshit because nobody can dare speak back against America.

How about Trump thank Europe for all the lives lost after 9/11?

How about Trump apologise to Europe for dragging us into wars created through lies?

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"It was not a spontaneous reaction to interventions by Zelensky, but obviously a manufactured escalation in this meeting in the Oval Office," Merz said at a press conference in Hamburg. Merz said he was "quite surprised, including by the mutual tone of the dialogue," adding that the incident fit a pattern in recent U.S. behavior.

"There is a certain sequence in a number of events in recent weeks and months, including the appearance of the American delegation in Munich at the security conference, and we are now seeing it from Washington," he said. According to Merz, these events serve as a wake-up call for Europe's security policy. "I am in favor of preparing for the fact that in the coming years and decades we will have to do much, much more for our own security," he said.

US deliberately orchestrated Zelensky-Trump Oval Office clash, Friedrich Merz says



Ryuu96 said:

"It was not a spontaneous reaction to interventions by Zelensky, but obviously a manufactured escalation in this meeting in the Oval Office," Merz said at a press conference in Hamburg. Merz said he was "quite surprised, including by the mutual tone of the dialogue," adding that the incident fit a pattern in recent U.S. behavior.

"There is a certain sequence in a number of events in recent weeks and months, including the appearance of the American delegation in Munich at the security conference, and we are now seeing it from Washington," he said. According to Merz, these events serve as a wake-up call for Europe's security policy. "I am in favor of preparing for the fact that in the coming years and decades we will have to do much, much more for our own security," he said.

US deliberately orchestrated Zelensky-Trump Oval Office clash, Friedrich Merz says

Not sure how to feel about Merz yet, but I'm glad that so far, at least, he's standing up for Ukraine, Germany, and Europe against Putin and Trump, and that he wants Europe to have the power act in situations like the Ukraine War.



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Trump pauses military aid to Ukraine after bust-up with Zelenskyy

United States President Donald Trump has paused military aid to Ukraine in a dramatic escalation of his spat with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Trump will pause all aid until Kyiv is committed to what he determines are good-faith negotiations for peace, multiple US media outlets reported on Monday, citing unnamed Trump administration officials.

The move came hours after Trump accused Zelenskyy of not wanting peace “as long he has America’s backing” in a post on Truth Social, escalating a war of words that culminated in a stunning public clash between the two leaders at the White House on Friday.

The decision to suspend the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars in arms and ammunition that are in the pipeline is likely to deal a serious blow to Ukraine’s efforts to repel Russia’s invasion.

While the US Congress has not approved any new military aid beyond the tens of billions of dollars already committed to Ukraine since Trump’s inauguration in January, former US President Joe Biden approved transfers to continue supplying equipment for at least several years.



Netanyahu blocks all aid to Gaza to pressure Hamas, Trump now doing the same to Zelenskyy...



Before Trump’s order, Washington was on track to supply monthly deliveries worth $920m this year, up from $500m in 2024, according to an analysis by the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies and International Studies.

The fresh nadir in US-Ukraine relations comes after Trump took issue with Zelenskyy’s suggestion that the end of his country’s war against Russia’s invading forces was likely still “very, very far away“.

Speaking at the White House on Monday, Trump, who has accused the Ukrainian leader of exploiting US geneority, “better not be right” and that the war should “end fast”. “If somebody doesn’t want to make a deal, I think that person won’t be around very long,” Trump said. “That person will not be listened to very long.”


There was no immediate comment from Zelenskyy or his office on the pause in military aid.


Trump’s move was widely condemned from Democratic lawmakers and other supporters of Ukraine. Democratic US House of Representatives member Pramila Jayapal blasted the pause as a “shameful day in American history.”

“Let’s be clear – this is not about bringing peace. Donald Trump is siding with Russia, Putin, and dictators across the world over our allies and the defense of democracy,” Jayapal, who represents a district in Washington state, said on X.

Michael McFaul, a former US ambassador to Russia under US President Barack Obama, labelled the move “tragic.” “Trump delivers stick to democratic Ukraine. Trump gives nothing but carrots for autocratic, imperial Russia,” McFaul said on X. “This is not strength. This is weakness.”



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zelensky promises to buy a suit and american everything now



Seriously, fuck the USA right now. Europe should really get itself together now and rise to become the world biggest economical and military power. Because I fear that we are the last defenders of democracy and freedom right now.

And I say that as someone who used to love the USA more than any other country in the world. But you guys really need to get rid of Trump and you can't wait until the next electon. Make some noise, I beg you.



唯一無二のRolStoppableに認められた、VGCの任天堂ファミリーの正式メンバーです。光栄に思います。

Yeah, fuck America.

I'll just re-post here what I said in US Politics.



SanAndreasX said:
Ryuu96 said:

"It was not a spontaneous reaction to interventions by Zelensky, but obviously a manufactured escalation in this meeting in the Oval Office," Merz said at a press conference in Hamburg. Merz said he was "quite surprised, including by the mutual tone of the dialogue," adding that the incident fit a pattern in recent U.S. behavior.

"There is a certain sequence in a number of events in recent weeks and months, including the appearance of the American delegation in Munich at the security conference, and we are now seeing it from Washington," he said. According to Merz, these events serve as a wake-up call for Europe's security policy. "I am in favor of preparing for the fact that in the coming years and decades we will have to do much, much more for our own security," he said.

US deliberately orchestrated Zelensky-Trump Oval Office clash, Friedrich Merz says

Not sure how to feel about Merz yet, but I'm glad that so far, at least, he's standing up for Ukraine, Germany, and Europe against Putin and Trump, and that he wants Europe to have the power act in situations like the Ukraine War.

This is more or less Merz's only political stance where he is on the right track. It's just unfortunate that it stands in conflict with how he wants to approach financing everything, which is kind of important I'd say. Lower taxes for the rich, take on no new debt, that's obviously fundamentally stupid when it's abundantly clear that the tasks ahead will demand huge investments. But he's a conservative, so he has no obligation to keep any promises if he wants to get re-elected, so that's that.

Foreign policy beyond Europe got its first red flag when he pondered about inviting Netanyahu to Germany and somehow find a way to ignore the ICC ruling. That was more of a quick thought than an actual plan, but it's still pretty damning to think about something like that in the first place.

Domestically, he took the reins of his party with the goal of cutting the AfD's votes on the national level in half, the result of his efforts is that the AfD is now twice as strong. He accomplished this by committing the typical conservative blunder of believing that the far-right is best fought by putting more emphasis on the talking points of the far-right and presenting oneself as the reasonable party to take care of the (usually) imagined problems; but all this does is add more legitimacy to far-right talking points and push more people to vote for the original.

Merz winning the German election isn't an achievement at all, because the conservative party could have fielded anyone and take the first spot. That's because of the setup of the preceding government that consisted of two left-wing parties and the liberals who behaved more like they were an opposition party than one that is in the government. "Liberal" in Central Europe is defined by the belief that a free market regulates itself and all will be well, plus you have to take money from the poor and funnel it to the rich; so in other words, it's a party that is clearly positioned on the right side of the political spectrum unlike in the USA where liberal is synonymous with left. The inefficiency and ineptitude of this particular government made it have the lowest favorability rating ever, so all involved parties were bound to lose voters and Germany was destined to make the conservatives the #1 again.

Anyway, this thread is about Ukraine and by extent the security of Europe as a whole. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so perhaps Merz manages to get this one thing (somewhat) right.



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