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twintail said:
src said:

Sony made a mistake with RAD. Could have been a great VR studio and given Sony by far the best VR dev team: London studio, Asobi, PD, Insomniac, Firesprite and RAD.

Imo Sony's next partners for acquisition could be Bluepoint, Arrowhead, KJP (if Kojima wants to be acquired), From Software and maybe Media Vision if the rumours of them working on a PS JRPG are true and it turns out well.

I think it's difficult to portray the RAD situation as a mistake. Sony's relationship with them was never defined by their ability to make VR games, which is something RAD only pivoted to after their relationship with Sony. But I don't disagree that having another VR studio would've been good for them. 

Bluepoint and Arrowhead seem viable, more so the former. But From Software is not happening unless Kadokawa want out of the gaming industry. I see no other reason why they would let go of an asset as important as FS.

I do think that Deviation and Haven studio are possible studios that Sony is eyeing. But I imagine that first depends entirely on how their debut games perform + the working relationship established making said games. 

My logic with FROM is that Kadokawa is not really in the gaming business.....its pretty much just FROM by revenue and they haven't made any clear moves of expanding. And their gaming business doesn't add much to their bottom line either.

Imo, and I think FROM kinda knows this, FROM is a studio that could become a leader in the RPG genre, up there with Bethesda and CDPR, however they are often quite behind in tech and it seems they haven't grown as quickly as they should be.

Combine that with the variability of publisher fishing, IP ownership, I think FROM with be a whole different beast under a AAA gaming publisher.



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src said:

My logic with FROM is that Kadokawa is not really in the gaming business.....its pretty much just FROM by revenue and they haven't made any clear moves of expanding. And their gaming business doesn't add much to their bottom line either.

Imo, and I think FROM kinda knows this, FROM is a studio that could become a leader in the RPG genre, up there with Bethesda and CDPR, however they are often quite behind in tech and it seems they haven't grown as quickly as they should be.

Combine that with the variability of publisher fishing, IP ownership, I think FROM with be a whole different beast under a AAA gaming publisher.

Kadokawa's gaming division isn't huge, but they do have a few teams that make RPGs and anime games. It doesn't really make them a huge amount of money, but they seem to be pretty intent on keeping and even expanding it.



the-pi-guy said:

src said:

My logic with FROM is that Kadokawa is not really in the gaming business.....its pretty much just FROM by revenue and they haven't made any clear moves of expanding. And their gaming business doesn't add much to their bottom line either.

Imo, and I think FROM kinda knows this, FROM is a studio that could become a leader in the RPG genre, up there with Bethesda and CDPR, however they are often quite behind in tech and it seems they haven't grown as quickly as they should be.

Combine that with the variability of publisher fishing, IP ownership, I think FROM with be a whole different beast under a AAA gaming publisher.

Kadokawa's gaming division isn't huge, but they do have a few teams that make RPGs and anime games. It doesn't really make them a huge amount of money, but they seem to be pretty intent on keeping and even expanding it.

We do Know that Sony is investing on anime and games based on anime/novel/manga and if i`m not wrong they are partnering with Kadokawa a lot. So who knows if that may turn into their game arm becoming a joint venture or full sale.



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Great acquisition! It's good to see Sony investing more into VR.



DonFerrari said:
the-pi-guy said:

Kadokawa's gaming division isn't huge, but they do have a few teams that make RPGs and anime games. It doesn't really make them a huge amount of money, but they seem to be pretty intent on keeping and even expanding it.

We do Know that Sony is investing on anime and games based on anime/novel/manga and if i`m not wrong they are partnering with Kadokawa a lot. So who knows if that may turn into their game arm becoming a joint venture or full sale.

Yes they are, Sony bought a 1.93% stake in Kadokawa back in February. 

The two companies are in a Capital Alliance Strategy. 



 

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src said:
twintail said:

I think it's difficult to portray the RAD situation as a mistake. Sony's relationship with them was never defined by their ability to make VR games, which is something RAD only pivoted to after their relationship with Sony. But I don't disagree that having another VR studio would've been good for them. 

Bluepoint and Arrowhead seem viable, more so the former. But From Software is not happening unless Kadokawa want out of the gaming industry. I see no other reason why they would let go of an asset as important as FS.

I do think that Deviation and Haven studio are possible studios that Sony is eyeing. But I imagine that first depends entirely on how their debut games perform + the working relationship established making said games. 

My logic with FROM is that Kadokawa is not really in the gaming business.....its pretty much just FROM by revenue and they haven't made any clear moves of expanding. And their gaming business doesn't add much to their bottom line either.

Imo, and I think FROM kinda knows this, FROM is a studio that could become a leader in the RPG genre, up there with Bethesda and CDPR, however they are often quite behind in tech and it seems they haven't grown as quickly as they should be.

Combine that with the variability of publisher fishing, IP ownership, I think FROM with be a whole different beast under a AAA gaming publisher.

I get what you're saying, and anything is possible of course. 

But Kadokawa also owns Spike Chunsoft. Gaming might not be the greatest money maker, but its an industry they seem ok to be in, even if partially. 



twintail said:
src said:

My logic with FROM is that Kadokawa is not really in the gaming business.....its pretty much just FROM by revenue and they haven't made any clear moves of expanding. And their gaming business doesn't add much to their bottom line either.

Imo, and I think FROM kinda knows this, FROM is a studio that could become a leader in the RPG genre, up there with Bethesda and CDPR, however they are often quite behind in tech and it seems they haven't grown as quickly as they should be.

Combine that with the variability of publisher fishing, IP ownership, I think FROM with be a whole different beast under a AAA gaming publisher.

I get what you're saying, and anything is possible of course. 

But Kadokawa also owns Spike Chunsoft. Gaming might not be the greatest money maker, but its an industry they seem ok to be in, even if partially. 

I checked their 2020 FY report:

Games were $166M for the year, $27M profit.

That's 8% of their total, 14% of their operating profit. Forecast for next year is a -16% decline. Looks like they pretty much rely on FROMs output.



twintail said:

I get what you're saying, and anything is possible of course. 

But Kadokawa also owns Spike Chunsoft. Gaming might not be the greatest money maker, but its an industry they seem ok to be in, even if partially. 

Kadokawa Corporation also makes anime where Sony is starting to make a big push. 



Since this keeps popping up in the latest threads, I'll drop my two cents here as well: Since FireSprite seems to have been almost a second-party studio to Sony anyway, no one's really losing out on anything because of this, so I'm fine with this. Additionally, seems like a solid acquisition for Sony, so there's isn't much to be unhappy about here. From a gamer perspective, I might say that I don't really care about this acquisition.



PotentHerbs said:
twintail said:

I get what you're saying, and anything is possible of course. 

But Kadokawa also owns Spike Chunsoft. Gaming might not be the greatest money maker, but its an industry they seem ok to be in, even if partially. 

Kadokawa Corporation also makes anime where Sony is starting to make a big push. 

You suggesting Sony buy Kadokawa? I don't think that makes much sense for them to do.