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chakkra on 12 November 2020
DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:
Hynad said:
sales2099 said:

So when an executive says something notable it isn’t plastered all over gaming forums and Twitter? How people discuss and share their impressions. You think that won’t translate at all into the real world with friends? Please...don’t be so naive.

Again, MS said their stance in January. Sony said the exact same thing before their console launched. That to me is BS. 

Sony never once claimed nor implied there wouldn’t be cross gen games.

Doesn’t take much to understand that studios didn’t stop working just to wait for PS5 dev kits. Many already had games in development for the PS4 and started making a PS5 version after getting dev kits. No reason to twist this into some kind of stupid foul play on Sony’s part. You are the one creating this narrative that Sony somehow lied, by twisting their words and intentions, because you revel in spreading FUD and creating discord between each console’s fanbases.

You are correct. Sony never outright said it, but based on these news articles (and comments) the confusion was certainly there and they did nothing to correct it. Btw, I'm surprised you don't remember this because you actually commented in one of those news articles, and that was not that long ago.

https://sea.ign.com/news/160643/playstation-boss-not-interested-in-making-ps4-versions-of-ps5-games

https://www.gamesradar.com/ps5-games-wont-be-playable-on-ps4-sie-boss-confirms-we-believe-in-generations/

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/443734/xbox-believes-in-generations-of-games-that-play-and-take-advantage-of-the-xbox-series-x-hardware/

Well Several media and people have been saying about lack of power, SSD being worse than an external disk, console not ready, consoles burning in manufacturing, overheat issue on bestbuy, and several other bad rumors about PS5. Sony didn't answered any of those, so why do you think they would for this one?

That's not the point. The point is that Hynad is acting like he, and many others, were never caught up in the misunderstanding and that they always knew that all these games were coming to PS4. Heck, he is acting like he didn't even know there was a misunderstanding. As if we were not here to read his comments back then. That was less than two months ago for God's sake.



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DonFerrari on 12 November 2020
shikamaru317 said:
PotentHerbs said:
RolStoppable said:
darkenergy said:
I find it funny that shikamaru is getting called out for making threads like this while its ok for certain fanbases to post negative threads about Xbox.

Newsflash: People on this site don't like Xbox.

Not anymore. This site leans more towards Xbox than PS at this point in time. 

Hmmm, I'm not really sure if that's accurate. I feel like I only know of maybe 20 Xbox first or Xbox secondary fans on this site, 25 tops. I'm pretty sure there are more PS first or PS secondary people than that, though I could be wrong. Maybe I should make a list to see.

I guess he is saying from the comments themselves on threads, but that is more on Nintendo fans being supportive of MS while detracting Sony than really having more Xbox fans. Sure some have comeback near the start of gen9 but nothing massive.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 12 November 2020
chakkra said:
DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:
Hynad said:
sales2099 said:

So when an executive says something notable it isn’t plastered all over gaming forums and Twitter? How people discuss and share their impressions. You think that won’t translate at all into the real world with friends? Please...don’t be so naive.

Again, MS said their stance in January. Sony said the exact same thing before their console launched. That to me is BS. 

Sony never once claimed nor implied there wouldn’t be cross gen games.

Doesn’t take much to understand that studios didn’t stop working just to wait for PS5 dev kits. Many already had games in development for the PS4 and started making a PS5 version after getting dev kits. No reason to twist this into some kind of stupid foul play on Sony’s part. You are the one creating this narrative that Sony somehow lied, by twisting their words and intentions, because you revel in spreading FUD and creating discord between each console’s fanbases.

You are correct. Sony never outright said it, but based on these news articles (and comments) the confusion was certainly there and they did nothing to correct it. Btw, I'm surprised you don't remember this because you actually commented in one of those news articles, and that was not that long ago.

https://sea.ign.com/news/160643/playstation-boss-not-interested-in-making-ps4-versions-of-ps5-games

https://www.gamesradar.com/ps5-games-wont-be-playable-on-ps4-sie-boss-confirms-we-believe-in-generations/

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/443734/xbox-believes-in-generations-of-games-that-play-and-take-advantage-of-the-xbox-series-x-hardware/

Well Several media and people have been saying about lack of power, SSD being worse than an external disk, console not ready, consoles burning in manufacturing, overheat issue on bestbuy, and several other bad rumors about PS5. Sony didn't answered any of those, so why do you think they would for this one?

That's not the point. The point is that Hynad is acting like he, and many others, were never caught up in the misunderstanding and that they always knew that all these games were coming to PS4. Heck, he is acting like he didn't even know there was a misunderstanding. As if we were not here to read his comments back then. That was less than two months ago for God's sake.

Your point had complain that Sony didn't clarified on people spreading news how they see fit and fans acting one way or another. Sony haven't talked much this year on any subject so there is no point in wanting they to go and talk more about this specific one. Even BC they have posted very few and got a lot of flack and miss reports and complains. So if you want to focus on how Hynad acted them focus on his action not on Sony saying what you want to hear.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Leynos on 12 November 2020
shikamaru317 said:
shikamaru317 said:
PotentHerbs said:

Not anymore. This site leans more towards Xbox than PS at this point in time. 

Hmmm, I'm not really sure if that's accurate. I feel like I only know of maybe 20 Xbox first or Xbox secondary fans on this site, 25 tops. I'm pretty sure there are more PS first or PS secondary people than that, though I could be wrong. Maybe I should make a list to see.

Decided to go ahead and make a list to see of people off the top of my head. Disclaimer: I am making fanbase assumptions here so I could be wrong on some of these, I apologize if I get somebody wrong.

Xbox Primary or Secondary Fans

  1. Myself (Xbox Primary, PS Secondary)
  2. Spade
  3. Ice
  4. Ryuu
  5. Puggsly
  6. Ludicrous
  7. Sales
  8. Darkenergy
  9. crissindahouse
  10. DroidKnight
  11. Jason
  12. Wellfare
  13. Goatseye
  14. AsGryffnn
  15. Kigel
  16. Kirby
  17. Barozi
  18. Starcraft
  19. Ironman
  20. Imaginedvl
  21. konnichiwa
  22. smroadkill
  23. derpysquirtle
  24. Angelus
  25. Chris Hu
  26. Chakkra
  27. VAMatt
  28. YvanJean
  29. Foodfather
  30. Azzanation
  31. TrunksWD
  32. Captain Yuri (PC first, Xbox second if I'm not mistaken)
  33. Chazore (PC first, Xbox second if I'm not mistaken)
  34. RolStoppable (Nintendo Primary, Xbox secondary I think)

Sony Primary or Secondary fans

  1. Myself (Xbox Primary, PS Secondary)
  2. Bandor
  3. PotentHerbs
  4. Runa
  5. ClassicGamingWizz
  6. DonFerrari
  7. JRPGfan
  8. BloodTears
  9. Replicant
  10. Hinch (PC primary, PS secondary I think)
  11. Hynad
  12. Hunter_Alien
  13. LurkerJ
  14. KLXVER
  15. Shiken
  16. Farsala
  17. Shinobi_San (PC primary, PS secondary I think)
  18. Twintail
  19. Serious_frusting
  20. Dgc1808
  21. KratosLives
  22. NobleTeam (PS primary, Xbox secondary currently I think)
  23. Bristow
  24. Acevil
  25. BraLoD
  26. TallSillhouette
  27. Gooch
  28. Zealen
  29. Hynad
  30. KazumaKiryu
  31. Ryotsu
  32. Angelv
  33. Otter
  34. Jpcc86
  35. Ascarkabab
  36. Qwark
  37. Leynos
  38. Manlytears
  39. Trumpstyle
  40. Eva01
  41. Signalstar

Xbox list is bigger than I thought, glad to see the Xbox fanbase has recovered this much over the last few years. Xbox fanbase was down to like 10-15 regulars at one point as I recall. 

Well,at least I'm not last. HA! :P



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

chakkra on 12 November 2020
DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:
DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:
Hynad said:
sales2099 said:

So when an executive says something notable it isn’t plastered all over gaming forums and Twitter? How people discuss and share their impressions. You think that won’t translate at all into the real world with friends? Please...don’t be so naive.

Again, MS said their stance in January. Sony said the exact same thing before their console launched. That to me is BS. 

Sony never once claimed nor implied there wouldn’t be cross gen games.

Doesn’t take much to understand that studios didn’t stop working just to wait for PS5 dev kits. Many already had games in development for the PS4 and started making a PS5 version after getting dev kits. No reason to twist this into some kind of stupid foul play on Sony’s part. You are the one creating this narrative that Sony somehow lied, by twisting their words and intentions, because you revel in spreading FUD and creating discord between each console’s fanbases.

You are correct. Sony never outright said it, but based on these news articles (and comments) the confusion was certainly there and they did nothing to correct it. Btw, I'm surprised you don't remember this because you actually commented in one of those news articles, and that was not that long ago.

https://sea.ign.com/news/160643/playstation-boss-not-interested-in-making-ps4-versions-of-ps5-games

https://www.gamesradar.com/ps5-games-wont-be-playable-on-ps4-sie-boss-confirms-we-believe-in-generations/

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/443734/xbox-believes-in-generations-of-games-that-play-and-take-advantage-of-the-xbox-series-x-hardware/

Well Several media and people have been saying about lack of power, SSD being worse than an external disk, console not ready, consoles burning in manufacturing, overheat issue on bestbuy, and several other bad rumors about PS5. Sony didn't answered any of those, so why do you think they would for this one?

That's not the point. The point is that Hynad is acting like he, and many others, were never caught up in the misunderstanding and that they always knew that all these games were coming to PS4. Heck, he is acting like he didn't even know there was a misunderstanding. As if we were not here to read his comments back then. That was less than two months ago for God's sake.

Your point had complain that Sony didn't clarified on people spreading news how they see fit and fans acting one way or another. Sony haven't talked much this year on any subject so there is no point in wanting they to go and talk more about this specific one. Even BC they have posted very few and got a lot of flack and miss reports and complains. So if you want to focus on how Hynad acted them focus on his action not on Sony saying what you want to hear.

Well, my intention was not to complain about Sony not clarifying anything. I really don't care about what Sony says since that doesn't directly affect me, but in order to call Hynad out I had to mention Sony, I'm sorry.

But since you seem so against the idea of anyone mentioning Sony, I'm actually now feeling the desire to post a piece of the interview that started this whole thing:

One way to keep PS4 users engaged would be to make upcoming PS5 games playable on the older machine, just like Microsoft is proposing with its Xbox Series X games being playable on Xbox One. Yet Ryan says that's not something PlayStation is interested in doing.

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-05-29-sonys-jim-ryan-its-time-to-give-fans-something-that-can-only-be-enjoyed-on-playstation-5



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d21lewis on 12 November 2020
shikamaru317 said:
shikamaru317 said:
PotentHerbs said:

Not anymore. This site leans more towards Xbox than PS at this point in time. 

Hmmm, I'm not really sure if that's accurate. I feel like I only know of maybe 20 Xbox first or Xbox secondary fans on this site, 25 tops. I'm pretty sure there are more PS first or PS secondary people than that, though I could be wrong. Maybe I should make a list to see.

Decided to go ahead and make a list to see of people off the top of my head. Disclaimer: I am making fanbase assumptions here so I could be wrong on some of these, I apologize if I get somebody wrong. Probably going to miss some people on both lists, doing this mostly off the top of my head.

Xbox Primary or Secondary Fans

  1. Myself (Xbox Primary, PS Secondary)
  2. Spade
  3. Ice
  4. Ryuu
  5. Puggsly
  6. Ludicrous
  7. Sales
  8. Darkenergy
  9. crissindahouse
  10. DroidKnight
  11. Jason
  12. Wellfare
  13. Goatseye
  14. AsGryffnn
  15. Kigel
  16. Kirby
  17. Barozi
  18. Starcraft
  19. Ironman
  20. Imaginedvl
  21. konnichiwa
  22. smroadkill
  23. derpysquirtle
  24. Angelus
  25. Chris Hu
  26. Chakkra
  27. VAMatt
  28. YvanJean
  29. Foodfather
  30. Azzanation
  31. TrunksWD
  32. Captain Yuri (PC first, Xbox second if I'm not mistaken)
  33. Chazore (PC first, Xbox second if I'm not mistaken)
  34. RolStoppable (Nintendo Primary, Xbox secondary I think)
  35. NobleTeam (PS primary, Xbox secondary currently I think)

Sony Primary or Secondary fans

  1. Myself (Xbox Primary, PS Secondary)
  2. Bandor
  3. PotentHerbs
  4. Runa
  5. ClassicGamingWizz
  6. DonFerrari
  7. JRPGfan
  8. BloodTears
  9. Replicant
  10. Hinch (PC primary, PS secondary I think)
  11. Hynad
  12. Hunter_Alien
  13. LurkerJ
  14. KLXVER
  15. Shiken
  16. Farsala
  17. Shinobi_San (PC primary, PS secondary I think)
  18. Twintail
  19. Serious_frusting
  20. Dgc1808
  21. KratosLives
  22. NobleTeam (PS primary, Xbox secondary currently I think)
  23. Bristow
  24. Acevil
  25. BraLoD
  26. TallSillhouette
  27. Gooch
  28. Zealen
  29. Hynad
  30. KazumaKiryu
  31. Ryotsu
  32. Angelv
  33. Otter
  34. Jpcc86
  35. Ascarkabab
  36. Qwark
  37. Leynos
  38. Manlytears
  39. Trumpstyle
  40. Eva01
  41. Signalstar

Xbox list is bigger than I thought, glad to see the Xbox fanbase has recovered this much over the last few years. Xbox fanbase was down to like 10-15 regulars at one point as I recall. 

I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little hurt.

https://youtu.be/ndU_TV4bX28



DonFerrari on 12 November 2020
chakkra said:
DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:
DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:
Hynad said:
sales2099 said:

So when an executive says something notable it isn’t plastered all over gaming forums and Twitter? How people discuss and share their impressions. You think that won’t translate at all into the real world with friends? Please...don’t be so naive.

Again, MS said their stance in January. Sony said the exact same thing before their console launched. That to me is BS. 

Sony never once claimed nor implied there wouldn’t be cross gen games.

Doesn’t take much to understand that studios didn’t stop working just to wait for PS5 dev kits. Many already had games in development for the PS4 and started making a PS5 version after getting dev kits. No reason to twist this into some kind of stupid foul play on Sony’s part. You are the one creating this narrative that Sony somehow lied, by twisting their words and intentions, because you revel in spreading FUD and creating discord between each console’s fanbases.

You are correct. Sony never outright said it, but based on these news articles (and comments) the confusion was certainly there and they did nothing to correct it. Btw, I'm surprised you don't remember this because you actually commented in one of those news articles, and that was not that long ago.

https://sea.ign.com/news/160643/playstation-boss-not-interested-in-making-ps4-versions-of-ps5-games

https://www.gamesradar.com/ps5-games-wont-be-playable-on-ps4-sie-boss-confirms-we-believe-in-generations/

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/443734/xbox-believes-in-generations-of-games-that-play-and-take-advantage-of-the-xbox-series-x-hardware/

Well Several media and people have been saying about lack of power, SSD being worse than an external disk, console not ready, consoles burning in manufacturing, overheat issue on bestbuy, and several other bad rumors about PS5. Sony didn't answered any of those, so why do you think they would for this one?

That's not the point. The point is that Hynad is acting like he, and many others, were never caught up in the misunderstanding and that they always knew that all these games were coming to PS4. Heck, he is acting like he didn't even know there was a misunderstanding. As if we were not here to read his comments back then. That was less than two months ago for God's sake.

Your point had complain that Sony didn't clarified on people spreading news how they see fit and fans acting one way or another. Sony haven't talked much this year on any subject so there is no point in wanting they to go and talk more about this specific one. Even BC they have posted very few and got a lot of flack and miss reports and complains. So if you want to focus on how Hynad acted them focus on his action not on Sony saying what you want to hear.

Well, my intention was not to complain about Sony not clarifying anything. I really don't care about what Sony says since that doesn't directly affect me, but in order to call Hynad out I had to mention Sony, I'm sorry.

But since you seem so against the idea of anyone mentioning Sony, I'm actually now feeling the desire to post a piece of the interview that started this whole thing:

One way to keep PS4 users engaged would be to make upcoming PS5 games playable on the older machine, just like Microsoft is proposing with its Xbox Series X games being playable on Xbox One. Yet Ryan says that's not something PlayStation is interested in doing.

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-05-29-sonys-jim-ryan-its-time-to-give-fans-something-that-can-only-be-enjoyed-on-playstation-5

I guess we already discussed this last week and how he didn't say anything about not having crossgen games or anything, just that he believes in generation and making games that make use of PS5, guess what Sackboy, SM:MM even though crossgen makes very good use of PS5. With SM being the best use of RT so far and sackboy using several features of the controler and the cards+video tips. Then you have Astro's Playroom and Demon's Souls which can only be enjoyed on PS5. So yes he didn't lie nor imply anything. Every miss interpretation was done in intent by other people. Which is very different of MS explicitly saying they don't want to force people to move to new gen and that all their games would be crossgen for the next 2 years (which they well we already have some that will be Series only) and after that saying X1 wouldn't hold the Series version, when well for all purposes it seems it did as no game is pushing Series (is there any game on Series that looks better than Demon's Souls or SM:MM?). So it is quite clear why one is met with more criticism than the other by general public.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

kirby007 on 12 November 2020

if from that list 3 certain sony fans wouldn't post i could tolerate all of the others



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Farsala on 12 November 2020
shikamaru317 said:
shikamaru317 said:
PotentHerbs said:

Not anymore. This site leans more towards Xbox than PS at this point in time. 

Hmmm, I'm not really sure if that's accurate. I feel like I only know of maybe 20 Xbox first or Xbox secondary fans on this site, 25 tops. I'm pretty sure there are more PS first or PS secondary people than that, though I could be wrong. Maybe I should make a list to see.

Decided to go ahead and make a list to see of people off the top of my head. Disclaimer: I am making fanbase assumptions here so I could be wrong on some of these, I apologize if I get somebody wrong. Probably going to miss some people on both lists, doing this mostly off the top of my head.

Xbox Primary or Secondary Fans

  1. Myself (Xbox Primary, PS Secondary)
  2. Spade
  3. Ice
  4. Ryuu
  5. Puggsly
  6. Ludicrous
  7. Sales
  8. Darkenergy
  9. crissindahouse
  10. DroidKnight
  11. Jason
  12. Wellfare
  13. Goatseye
  14. AsGryffnn
  15. Kigel
  16. Kirby
  17. Barozi
  18. Starcraft
  19. Ironman
  20. Imaginedvl
  21. konnichiwa
  22. smroadkill
  23. derpysquirtle
  24. Angelus
  25. Chris Hu
  26. Chakkra
  27. VAMatt
  28. YvanJean
  29. Foodfather
  30. Azzanation
  31. TrunksWD
  32. Captain Yuri (PC first, Xbox second if I'm not mistaken)
  33. Chazore (PC first, Xbox second if I'm not mistaken)
  34. RolStoppable (Nintendo Primary, Xbox secondary I think)
  35. NobleTeam (PS primary, Xbox secondary currently I think)
  36. d21lewis

Sony Primary or Secondary fans

  1. Myself (Xbox Primary, PS Secondary)
  2. Bandor
  3. PotentHerbs
  4. Runa
  5. ClassicGamingWizz
  6. DonFerrari
  7. JRPGfan
  8. BloodTears
  9. Replicant
  10. Hinch (PC primary, PS secondary I think)
  11. Hynad
  12. Hunter_Alien
  13. LurkerJ
  14. KLXVER
  15. Shiken
  16. Farsala
  17. Shinobi_San (PC primary, PS secondary I think)
  18. Twintail
  19. Serious_frusting
  20. Dgc1808
  21. KratosLives
  22. NobleTeam (PS primary, Xbox secondary currently I think)
  23. Bristow
  24. Acevil
  25. BraLoD
  26. TallSillhouette
  27. Gooch
  28. Zealen
  29. Hynad
  30. KazumaKiryu
  31. Ryotsu
  32. Angelv
  33. Otter
  34. Jpcc86
  35. Ascarkabab
  36. Qwark
  37. Leynos
  38. Manlytears
  39. Trumpstyle
  40. Eva01
  41. Signalstar

Xbox list is bigger than I thought, glad to see the Xbox fanbase has recovered this much over the last few years. Xbox fanbase was down to like 10-15 regulars at one point as I recall. 

I made a list! You can put me down for PC primary/ all other systems secondary though. Spent so much more of my time playing PC games vs all other systems combined. As for the MS list, you can't forget my best friend DirtyP2002. Snoopy was banned but active recently. I LOVE GIGGS and many others.

But I am sure both lists are incomplete.

kirby007 said:
if from that list 3 certain sony fans wouldn't post i could tolerate all of the others

Why you hate me so much :(.



DroidKnight on 12 November 2020
shikamaru317 said:

Well, it's not a ranking, just a list xD

I think I should be on 3 lists. 



...to avoid getting banned for inactivity, I may have to resort to comments that are of a lower overall quality and or beneath my moral standards.