Cross-gen releases and BC are two different things. Sure people buy a new console to play the better version of cross-gen titles. Heck I held off on GTA 5 because there was no chance it wasn't going to get a ps4 release (despite many people claiming it wouldn't). And I'm not going to buy Cyberpunk either for ps4, will wait until I have a ps5. Some other games did get free updates like Flower, nice to have but not what I bought a ps4 for.

Yet BC, didn't miss it. I'm not going to buy a ps5 looking forward to play ps3 games on it.

Yes they are different, I just meant to say BC tends to be a requested feature every gen around launch period and then dies down in the later half of year 1. 

Nm the BC point that’s just me saying people usually talk about it around launch period. But don’t go all historical revisionist on me with KZ. That is most definitely not where gamers spent their time compared to all the cross gen titles. People bought PS4 for the investment knowing better exclusives would eventually come out and spent their money on the best versions of cross gen games in the meantime. 

I mean cmon it got the lowest meta in the series, sold over a million naturally and clawed its way to 2 million lifetime via bargain pricing. I laugh whenever I hear the anti cross gen argument because those people disregard their own history. 

Funnily enough I got my PS4 to play new games and yes KZ:SF was one despite reviews, which was not bad. I don't go by that metric and lots of people don't either. Most games I've enjoyed and completed don't even reach the 80 mark. Doesn't mean they are no good, critic reviews are all subjective to the reviewer anyway.

I don't get the logic. Or you're just trying to downplay the importance of first party titles in the initial years, because, reasons. And the 'best version' of a game has never been a factor in what makes a console popular.

You know Knack outsold Mario in UK at launch right? And KZ Shadowfall sold quite well, Infamous SS also sold well.

But I do agree that a good portion antecipated the buying of the console to play the better version of the crossgen games (since they were going to buy it anyway). But even if there were BC on PS4 very few were going to buy it just to replay the games they were already playing on PS3. At most some X360 gamers or Wii gamers would like the idea of not having to play PS3, but being able to buy second game hand games very cheap and play on PS4 on the first couple years.

I don't know why it is so hard to Pug to get it (and need to pretend I miss the point), BC is certainly a lot of value to some customers and no value to others (and as long as it doesn't add significant cost sure it is a good thing to have) it still doesn't move sales. He tried to use "evidence" from BC on X1 and when shut down he complained that I was using sales because I was butthurt about the BC on X1 and on XSX, even if I have praised it as probably being much better than the one on PS5.

Well I'm a diehard fan of Playstation so he can make fun but the 3 games I bought the console for and enjoyed most the first year were KZ:SF (a lot easier to play than the other 3 and much prettier), Knack (as R&C wasn't on launch and that was the platformer I had to enjoy, and plat with the use of the smarthphone app, they were doing a lot of tie-in the start of the gen then everyone forgot about it) and Infamous Second Son (plat 1 and a half time, because the first half was on the wrong account).

And yet the best selling PS4 game is actually a 7th gen game, and one of the top 5 PS4 exclusives is actually a PS3 game (which remained as THE top exclusive for a long time).
I can't help but wonder what all those millions of people who bought GTAV and TLO on PS4 would have done if those games hadn't been remastered for it; would they had bought them for the PS3 or would they had just skip them?

btw, I'm willing to bet that TLO2 will keep selling really well on the PS5 even if they don't remaster it.

well i was just out off college, broke and unemployed by the time the ps4 launched. But I just started working when infamous launched and I sure dam bought myself a ps4 with infamous and a 60" tv. In hindsight, probably not the first thing I should have spend over a grand on when I dint even have a car yet. But I sure dont regret it. I sure as hell would not have done so for a game I could still play on my ps3.  

Gamers: "I didn't buy a PS4 to play old games."

Also gamers in 2014: "TLoU remastered is the best game on PS4!"


Google it.

And Switch gamers, YOU BETTER NOT have anything negative to say about cross gen titles...