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DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

Ah the ol console wars retreat, paving the way for an endless cycle of war of ideas. I said so many things and you just mentally block it out and say it’s revisionism....that’s weak. Bet you won’t even bother to see their studios and what they got cooking, you prefer to just live in the past. It’s literally the first page of Xbox Empire on here! Lol 

Sorry but the gamers push the power narrative onto Sony...why you think Sony put their name on the Unreal 5 demo??? Because the power narrative matters and they are giving their fans what they want: that juicy narrative kept from 2006-2017. So don’t complain when MS takes it away but “oh no, I don’t like the way they market it”. It’s a double standard, plain and simple. 

Lately, I really enjoyed Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5. Two solid games under their helm. Sea of Thieves has truly turned into something special with constant updates and a following more dedicated since the N64 days. Outer Worlds is a promising new IP and while not officially under MS, they did own Obsidian when the game released and own the rights going forward. Not all doom and gloom. 

You right in that exclusives do have their place, I await your reaction come July. And I don’t think Sony has anything that can touch Halo Infinite at launch. 

Probably TLOU2 being improved on PS5 would already be enough to counter Halo 6 crossgen. But Sony haven't revealed almost nothing yet, so you can rest knowing they most likely will have something that will review and sell better than Halo 6.

Do you think it will be a launch title? Because that’s really what I’m referring to. I know it’s coming, but this year is too soon imo, didn’t the first remaster come a year later?



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sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Probably TLOU2 being improved on PS5 would already be enough to counter Halo 6 crossgen. But Sony haven't revealed almost nothing yet, so you can rest knowing they most likely will have something that will review and sell better than Halo 6.

Do you think it will be a launch title? Because that’s really what I’m referring to. I know it’s coming, but this year is too soon imo, didn’t the first remaster come a year later?

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eva01beserk said:
Pok87 said:

I didn't say that both consoles will sell better. The console market will expand, but the PS5 will sell slightly worse than the PS4, while the new Xbox will sell much better than the Xbox One.

So you are basically saying that MS will expand the market. Care to give a reason? As nothing suggest at the moment that will happen. Things could change after their first party line up is anounced. But as it stands it looks like MS is exiting the console space for cloud services

Question...why does it have to be one or the other? Why is it so hard to think that MS is invested in both? If the rumours are true that there is a second budget console in the works...I could technically say MS has more commitment to consoles then Sony.

But nevermind that, let’s look at this rationally. It’s no secret they pushing Game Pass. PC can’t pull all the weight...the consoles are the primary gateway to more subs. When you think about it like that, consoles are absolutely essential to Xbox. 

Again, MS can and are doing both. 



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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
jason1637 said:

What makes you think Sony will grow their marketshare?

With the exception of gamepass,  PS5 will be better than the XBOX in most respects.

By the way, the game pass started in 2017, but it seems to have had little impact on hardware sales. Scorpio was the same.

Not only me, but the  EPIC's CEO seems to have the same idea.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingFitArugulaBIRB



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

With the exception of gamepass,  PS5 will be better than the XBOX in most respects.

By the way, the game pass started in 2017, but it seems to have had little impact on hardware sales. Scorpio was the same.

Not only me, but the  EPIC's CEO seems to have the same idea.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingFitArugulaBIRB

thats what i would say if i was a mainpartner



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kirby007 said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

Not only me, but the  EPIC's CEO seems to have the same idea.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingFitArugulaBIRB

thats what i would say if i was a mainpartner

He's not the only one, many developers agree.
Have you ever heard the opposite opinion?

P.S MS is also a partner of EPIC.

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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

With the exception of gamepass,  PS5 will be better than the XBOX in most respects.

By the way, the game pass started in 2017, but it seems to have had little impact on hardware sales. Scorpio was the same.

Not only me, but the  EPIC's CEO seems to have the same idea.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingFitArugulaBIRB

That just means it’s more likely for PS5 to generate more money for developers with the current install base upgrading. Doesn’t mean it’s easier to develop for, nor has a higher ceiling then Xbox.  



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Runa216 said:
Man, the mental gymnastics in this thread are Olympian

Boy I’ll say ;)

Rolstoppable pretty much gave as rational and unbiased breakdown as one can expect. Basically the bar is so low for Xbox now it would be very hard to stay flat on growth this gen. 

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RolStoppable said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

The more powerful console almost always loses, and almost always isn't the console of choice for multiplats. You know this as well as I do. 

So is that your official prediction, given what we know now? 125m PS4s vs 50m XB1s, and 115m PS5s vs 60m XB2s? If so that's a change of 5.78% in marketshare over current gen. That is things pretty much remaining the same in the overall console marketshare picture. I would consider such an outcome to be a massive vindication of this thread's OP. 

The reason why the most powerful console has only won twice (SNES and PS4) is because most of the time the most powerful console had to cede a headstart to the competition and because in many of the earlier generations multiplatform games weren't anywhere close to as important as they are today (see bestseller lists). You are simply looking at an outcome ("The most powerful console almost always loses.") and call it a day, but a proper analysis explores the reasons why things played out like they have. We know that both the PS5 and XSX will launch this holiday, so the drawback of granting the competition a headstart won't apply. We also know that the bestseller lists of both PS and Xbox consoles in recent times (PS3, PS4, 360, XB1) have been dominated by multiplatform games and we know that that won't change for the PS5 and XSX. When the majority of important games are available on both consoles, it matters which console plays them better, especially in a scenario with price parity which might just be what we'll get this time.

The numbers I have given were merely a maths example to demonstrate how even a small shift can already change the ratio in a significant way. It wasn't a prediction.

Farsala said:

I feel like that proves her point a bit more. For the past 18 years, MS showed that XB would never cater to Japan, while they show decent proficiency with American tastes. And when people talk about exclusives, they don't talk about just first party games, they talk about brilliant 2nd and 3rd party exclusives like Bloodborne, Nier Automata, DQXI (for a time), Persona 5, etc. as well.

In the US, XB1 does have decent first party to match their tastes like Gears of War and Halo 5

Microsoft moneyhatted various Japanese publishers to get exclusive JRPGs on the Xbox 360. That wasn't embraced by the Japanese market, but met with contempt. The sales difference between PS and Xbox consoles in Japan is way too big to attribute it to exclusive games.

Same thing in the USA, just the other way around. The sales difference between the PS4 and XB1 is too small to conclude with a straight face that Microsoft has done close to as good of a job with exclusives as Sony has done. The occassional Halo and GeoW release doesn't compare to Sony's releases of Uncharted 4, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Spiderman, God of War and others. Plus the bestselling games in the USA are multiplats like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto, all of which have superior versions on the PS4. Clearly, the USA must have an inherent bias in favor of Xbox, because otherwise you can't explain why so many people settled for inferior multiplats and a smaller number of exclusives that cater to American tastes.

If you take a look at Europe, the third major region, you'll find once again that regional bias must play a significant factor. Most interesting is the difference between the UK and mainland Europe which is right in line with the UK having a habit of aligning themselves more with the USA than continental Europe, be it politically, culturally or with entertainment.

Microsoft moneyhatted in Japan and then stopped almost immediately. Sony and Nintendo still had the majority of Japanese games even during that time. The gap in Japan is almost entirely due to games... Even Nintendo widens the gap between Switch and PS4 due to continuing making games that Japanese consumers enjoy, while Sony switched to less Japanese focused games.

The sales in US are closer due to closer games, Halo used to outsell all other Sony exclusives combined aside from ND. While it is clear MS has declined in 1st party, they still make a lot of games that US consumers enjoy. I will concede that MS is a lot more aggressive in the US with holiday price cuts unlike in continental Europe or Japan. I don't think the multiplats make much of a difference.