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I love how we call like Link's Awakening an average/good score when it's one of the best selling Zelda games already in less than a year and literally any other companies would die to have that number even for a game that performs really well.



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Slownenberg said:
Darwinianevolution said:

After all of the controversy with the lack of content and corners cut, I expected SOME kind of negative reaction. Slightly lower sales, shorter legs, something. Instead not only it becomes a massively successful launch, it becomes the immediately crosses the 15 million mark that most Pokemon games need all of its lifetime to reach and it's going to end up becoming the second best seller in the franchise. This is sad because either the hardcore fans who said to boycott this bought it anyway, thus giving up on future games becoming better, or the casual base is so big it can more than compensate for the loss of the core base, thus making any kind of customer reaction powerless. Either way, GameFreak and The Pokemon Co. is just going to continue to degrade the series to sell more games faster and faster.

Like I said, I very much doubt many hardcore fans boycotted it. I bet 99% of them bought it but then just complained endlessly online (and the other 1% will eventually buy it). If you are a hardcore Pokemon fan are you really not going to buy the first core Pokemon game for a console? Unlikely.

Also there are plenty of people who don't buy Nintendo portables but have a Switch, so don't normally buy Pokemon games because they don't own those systems, who got this game (me for instance - this is my first pokemon game since I got Red in 1999). So yeah the expanded sales opportunities the Switch fan base affords can easily make up for any tiny percentage of hardcore fans who did actually boycott the game.

Also like I said I think we see the negative reaction in that it didn't sell even more than it has! We see Animal Crossing, a much smaller franchise, beating Pokemon's initial launch. And while in the 6 week post-launch numbers Pokemon did over 2.6 million more, again that was the holidays for Pokemon and Pokemon is known as a more launch heavy seller, and it did indeed drop off drastically after the holidays while Animal Crossing seems likely to sell far more than Pokemon during their respective second quarter of sales. That should make us realize just how much bigger Pokemon Sword/Shield could have been if it had gotten the good word of mouth that games like Botw, Odyssey, Smash, AC have all had. If Pokemon had been a critically acclaimed game it would probably be a couple million higher right now. While I think Pokemon not being critically acclaimed the way many Switch games have been is hurting it more than any hardcore-fan-only controversy, I'm sure the negative news of the controversy did play a bit into the wider so-so acclaim for the general market reaction to the game.

I couldn't agree more with this post. People acting like the vocal minority was forever shut down because they are looking at SS numbers in a vacuum aren't seeing the big picture. People did buy the game but they were disappointed and i could see this affecting the sequel moreso than SS, but also affecting the legs of SS, as consequences of these things aren't always immediate. A popular saying in the box office is that successors pay for the sins of their predecessors and i think that same quote can apply here when discussing game sales.

Every franchise is breaking its respective record on the Switch and Pokémon is looking to be a clear exception to this alongside 2D Mario which is also another IP in turmoil largely due to laziness and lack of creativity turning people off to the IP. This was also the first console Pokémon and yet the brand is no longer in the league of its own that it was during the Gameboy and GBA era or in a league with only Mario Kart like it was for the DS and 3DS Era. Its now selling on the same tier as Zelda and 3D Mario, while now likely selling less than Smash and Animal Crossing and far less than Mario Kart. 

Had GameFreak delivered on the promise of this game I don't think money would have been left on the table but that is just me.



xMetroid said:
I love how we call like Link's Awakening an average/good score when it's one of the best selling Zelda games already in less than a year and literally any other companies would die to have that number even for a game that performs really well.

I think it's still gonna outsell Skyward Sword which is nice cuz it proves the top-down games have what it takes commercially to exist in their catalogue going forward.



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xMetroid said:
I love how we call like Link's Awakening an average/good score when it's one of the best selling Zelda games already in less than a year and literally any other companies would die to have that number even for a game that performs really well.

Yeah people have a weird perception of it and should realize BotW is the outlier of the franchise and not the basis.

The Links Awakening Remake is already in the top 10 Zelda titles sales-wise.

+60k and it beats Wind Waker
+240k and it beats AlttP
+390k and it beats Phantom Hourglass

So top 6 is pretty much guaranteed for Links Awakening

The next big challenge is the OoT Remake which is currently 1.64M ahead.



Mar1217 said:
xMetroid said:
I love how we call like Link's Awakening an average/good score when it's one of the best selling Zelda games already in less than a year and literally any other companies would die to have that number even for a game that performs really well.

I think it's still gonna outsell Skyward Sword which is nice cuz it proves the top-down games have what it takes commercially to exist in their catalogue going forward.

It already has. By over 700k.



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UnderwaterFunktown said:

Since Nintendo reveals quarterly shipment numbers and first party Switch games generally all have simultaneous wordwide releases, Switch is pretty much the perfect system to make a launch aligned games chart for. I more or less had it done already and was waiting for this quarterly report to get it fully up to date. I've split it into two tiers of titles, to avoid having too many lines in one chart:

The X-axis is shipments in millions, the Y-axis is months since launch. The dots are quarterly reports.

I've used a very rough estimate of launch week shipments as the starting point on the chart to avoid every game starting at 0, which would be messy with so many lines and give an unrealistic sales trajectory for the first quarter. For this reason I've also aligned games that launched right at the end of a month to the next month (SMO, LM3, SMM2 and MK8).

I plan to keep updating this for future quarters, but ofc since Nintendo only gives numbers for games that have sold over a million in the current fiscal year, we will probably only get numbers for some of these in some quarters.

Really like the graphs

But you left out Links Awakening in the Middleweights.

It sits already at 4.38M



Marth said:
Mar1217 said:

I think it's still gonna outsell Skyward Sword which is nice cuz it proves the top-down games have what it takes commercially to exist in their catalogue going forward.

It already has. By over 700k.

Wait. I thought SS neared the 5M ... Oh guess I was wrong,thanks !



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Mar1217 said:
Marth said:

It already has. By over 700k.

Wait. I thought SS neared the 5M ... Oh guess I was wrong,thanks !

You were probably remembering the old VGC estimates. Hugely overestimated Skyward Sword. I think something around 4.4M originally.

It then got adjusted down to around 4M but even that was not enough. Official shipment was only 3.67M lol

Guess the bad E3 showing and the Motion Plus requirement really hurt its sales, also it is a very divisive game in the franchise.



Darwinianevolution said:
Slownenberg said:

I mean "commitment" doesn't just mean boycotting stuff haha. Commitment to a series would generally more likely mean buying a game in that series even when it's not perfect, which is what we've seen, so if you expected commitment from the fanbase I think that is exactly what we've seen.

And yeah as Runa says, the Dexit people were a very loud minority. Zero casual pokemon fans care about the "controversy" at all, and probably the vast majority of hardcore fans don't care about it either, and probably the vast majority of hardcore fans who did indeed care about it and scream and whine on the internet about dexit bought the game anyway because they are indeed committed to the franchise. And aren't some updates or DLC to the game minimizing the "controversy" anyways?

I also wouldn't call the things people pointed out "serious problems". Again, only a very vocal tiny minority see any serious problems with the game. Pokemon games are known for giving you pretty much the same thing but with a new set of creatures. Since the original games came out it hasn't exactly been a ground breaking series, just a very popular one.

And, what were the main parts about the "controversy" anyways? People felt the graphics and animations weren't up to par for what can be done on Switch and all the pokemon ever made weren't available to port into the game from the national dex or whatever? Well, do you really play pokemon for advanced graphics? I doubt it. Graphics seemed perfectly fine to me. I don't think anyways expects realistic detailed graphics so that always seemed like angry internet whiners looking for something to dislike when the game has farrrrr better graphics than any previous core pokemon game outside obviously of the one other Pokemon game on the Switch. You know how much the graphics effect my play of the game or how much I notice the graphics...zero amount. Graphics are fine for what you'd expect in a pokemon game, which is to say they aren't advanced and are cartoony and are a huge leap over previous generations obviously thanks to the vastly superior power of the Switch. And I get super hardcore fans being mad about a feature being removed from the game, but Game Freaks' explanation for it makes sense as well - making brand new higher fidelity models and various animations including for every move for over 800 different pokemon seems like it would be an insane task. Not saying what they did was fine, given how much the game will make they should have hired more people to work on it, but still its understandable and since the DLC is adding what like a couple hundred more pokemon to the game most pokemon will be in the game after that. I see hardcore fans being mad about it but at the same time it doesn't surprise me that the (internet outrage) bark was much worse than the (effect on sales) bite.

"Commitment to a series would generally more likely mean buying a game in that series even when it's not perfect, which is what we've seen, so if you expected commitment from the fanbase I think that is exactly what we've seen."

That's the opposite of commitment. You don't complain and loudly point out about what you see as a bad product and yet buy it anyway, and then call that commitment. After all of the criticism (valid criticism, mind you) the fact that the pokemon fanbase still supported such terrible practices in such a way is disheartening, because due to this nothing is going to change. In fact, it's just going to be worse and worse. The Pokemon Co. and GameFreak will try to churn out a game each year, take away more and more features of the game and sell them later at a premium. Now with console prices to boot. This was the chance of changing the course GF had been following since X/Y (and some may argue Black/White), and now noone will take any criticism seriously, because it will fall on hollow ears that know it's going to make millions no matter what they sell.

You really need to look up the definition of "commitment" haha. I promise you it is not how you are describing it. Or maybe you just think the commitment to a few months of ranting online should outweigh people years or decades long commitment to a franchise??

Like I said, in the big sales for Pokemon we ARE seeing the fanbase's commitment. You were just hoping for a lack of commitment to Pokemon which didn't occur despite the online rantings of some people who were stating they were giving up on their commitment to pokemon.



Marth said:
xMetroid said:
I love how we call like Link's Awakening an average/good score when it's one of the best selling Zelda games already in less than a year and literally any other companies would die to have that number even for a game that performs really well.

Yeah people have a weird perception of it and should realize BotW is the outlier of the franchise and not the basis.

The Links Awakening Remake is already in the top 10 Zelda titles sales-wise.

+60k and it beats Wind Waker
+240k and it beats AlttP
+390k and it beats Phantom Hourglass

So top 6 is pretty much guaranteed for Links Awakening

The next big challenge is the OoT Remake which is currently 1.64M ahead.

I think it could surpass Oot remake in the long run with a sale or something.