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sales2099 said:
Fragenstein said:

If you want the best version then how can you not care if it will be cross gen with Xbox One? The ps4 might not have had great launch titles but that doesn't mean it's some kind of rule that the good stuff only starts coming out 2 years in. You have to look at the time lines of Sony's 1st party studios. When the ps4 came out, most of them just released a big game like The Last of US, GOW Ascension. Guerilla Games were doing Killzone (which was never that great a franchise to begin with) and Insomniac was still 3rd party, making Sunset Overdrive.

Next gen seems to be different since most of Sony's major studios are due for releasing their next game or have at least been working on ps5 games for years now. Sony also has swapped out some of their weaker ip's like Killzone and Ratchet & Clank for Horizon Zero Dawn and Spider-man and had one of the most successful reboots in gaming history with God of War. This puts Sony in a much better position to kick off next gen with a bang compared to when the ps4 came out. 

Until Sony officially announces these games I’m afraid it’s all speculation as to when they release. Doesn’t change the point I made about the first couple years of a gen. 

The best version is on Series X. I’m happy the game will get to be enjoyed by more people, even if it’s on Xbox One. As a Halo fan I want the franchise to grow. I’m sure the Series X version will be worth it. Digital Foundry comparison videos should more then show the next gen difference when it’s all said and done. 

Given how the first 2 years are just practice for devs of all consoles, this whole cross gen controversy is making a whole lot about nothing. I’m sure the quality will speak for itself. 

I agree, it's hard to get excited about next gen games when we haven't even seen a proper tech demo yet. But as someone already mentioned, part of the excitement is not knowing what to expect from the SSD and extra horse power. With cross-gen games we already know exactly what to expect. Halo Infinite, for example will be just like Halo 4 when it released on Xbox 360 and Xbox One. It will look and play identical with a bump in framerate and resolution on Series X. Digital Foundry will say Series X/pc will have the best versions but its last gen roots will likely be apparent, at least compared to games that skipped current gen.

I also agree that the quality will speak for itself. But for arguments sake, lets say studios like Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Insomniac, Guerilla Games all have a game out early on, what makes you think they won't be top quality? All those studios have a pretty amazing track record and strong ip's that'll be a perfect fit for this next gen tech.

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Azzanation said:
HollyGamer said:

I am not saying Cross gen games are bad nor it will have bad quality games, i am sure cross gen games (Halo infinite) will be masterpiece . But i am saying exclusive on next gen hardware are far far more important then telling consumer how good the spec or technical prowess of a machine is. Consumer don't understand Teraflop, SSD speed, IO speed, polygon count etc. Hell they don't even understand 120 fps, 60 fps. Probably some exception to resolution (because general consumer has been targeted by TV marketing lately). They just need some games that prove how new hardware are good at compared to old gen. 

Selling next gen consoles is not just about better resolution, and high frame rates (this are mid gen refresh message for Xbox One X and PS4 pro) New generation is more the that. 

You have nothing to worry about because of a few reasons.

1) 3rd party games are still being made on the XSX and will carry the system with possibly the best versions of each game. People are not going to be caring about if a game is designed on next gen hardware when they are playing games like Cyberpunk 2077 enhanced on the XSX.

2) Big first party games are going to come out for the XSX since a lot of the big studios under MS have games planned in completion in another 2 years, we don't even know what the Initiative is making let alone a release date and there game is rumoured to be some type of AAA budget Tomb Raider style game.

3) You don't seem like you game on Xbox so this wouldn't affect you at all.

You know a couple games I cannot wait to play, EverWild and Grounded, made on this gen and I am excited to see more, I don't care if they aren't made with next gen in mind, they look like fun titles either way. And ill probably play them again when the XSX comes out and play an enhanced version of them. I honestly don't see the issue but if you don't like cross gen games than this goes back to my point No: 3. You have nothing to worry about.

Like I said there is nothing for third party developer to do cross gen , my objection for this thread is for people to understand that cross gen are helding game design and creativity and also will not able to shows the capability of new tech and new power of next gen.

I am not complaining with third party they are not the one who is in responsible for this matter, i am talking about first party studio from Sony, Microsoft and  Nintendo. I may not have Xbox for now  but i game on PC and some of my games are from Windows and some are from steam. 



LudicrousSpeed said:
HollyGamer said:

Why i have hunch that you cannot differentiate between a cross gen games (Halo infinite), games that made for two version (Forza Horizon 2),  and also games that ported to low end (The Witcher 3 on Switch)  

So seem does not grap what the meaning of cross gen is.

I've never once called Witcher 3 a cross gen game. If you need to make stuff up to prove a point, don't bother.

I know how cross gen games work. I also know you're applying the meaning differently game by game to suit your agenda. You have no idea if Halo Infinite is a game like Destiny for example, or if it's a game like Horizon 2. We've seen nothing of the game. You can disqualify games all you want or argue semantics, it doesn't change what I said. A developer can make a game with all the "next gen" bells and whistles they want, and also have the ability to scale it back for weaker hardware. It's only how games have been designed for decades.

You're making too big a deal out of cross gen games. Do you think Ass Creed Ragnarok coming to PS4 and Xbone will hold back next gen? Why would third party publishers ignore 150,000,000+ consoles? Who buys third party cross gen titles early in the generation expecting greatness? Sensible people understand that in the vast majority of cases it's the same game as last gen, just looks better. First party is clearly different.

Yes developer can make games with all of next gen  whistles and bells , but then again this will not happen if the games are made by using Xbox One as base and then at the same time ported to Xbox Series X, the game design will be limited to what the Xbox One can cop and able to do. Porting the games to Xbox series will not suddenly make the games next gen, it will just like Xbox One X running Xbox One games.

An also stop mentioning Horizon 2 . the games are made for current gen but it got ported to old gen  . This is different from Halo Infinite where the games are made for current gen and enhanced for better hardware (like Xbox One X) , the games will not shows anything new from Xbox Series X capabilities except Resolution and Frame rates.   



HollyGamer said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I've never once called Witcher 3 a cross gen game. If you need to make stuff up to prove a point, don't bother.

I know how cross gen games work. I also know you're applying the meaning differently game by game to suit your agenda. You have no idea if Halo Infinite is a game like Destiny for example, or if it's a game like Horizon 2. We've seen nothing of the game. You can disqualify games all you want or argue semantics, it doesn't change what I said. A developer can make a game with all the "next gen" bells and whistles they want, and also have the ability to scale it back for weaker hardware. It's only how games have been designed for decades.

You're making too big a deal out of cross gen games. Do you think Ass Creed Ragnarok coming to PS4 and Xbone will hold back next gen? Why would third party publishers ignore 150,000,000+ consoles? Who buys third party cross gen titles early in the generation expecting greatness? Sensible people understand that in the vast majority of cases it's the same game as last gen, just looks better. First party is clearly different.

Yes developer can make games with all of next gen  whistles and bells , but then again this will not happen if the games are made by using Xbox One as base and then at the same time ported to Xbox Series X, the game design will be limited to what the Xbox One can cop and able to do. Porting the games to Xbox series will not suddenly make the games next gen, it will just like Xbox One X running Xbox One games.

An also stop mentioning Horizon 2 . the games are made for current gen but it got ported to old gen  . This is different from Halo Infinite where the games are made for current gen and enhanced for better hardware (like Xbox One X) , the games will not shows anything new from Xbox Series X capabilities except Resolution and Frame rates.   

Stop mentioning Horizon 2, a Microsoft game delivered early this gen when they were still supporting last gen, so you can continue to spout nonsense about games you know nothing about. No thanks. Horizon 2 is more closely related to your argument than Halo Infinite and yet you keep bringing Halo up. I could also throw in Flight Sim, it’s being made with powerful PCs in mind and they’ve already said the Xbone version will be scaled back. You assume MS designs cross gen games in a manner that supports your narrative but in reality they’ve shown not to.

Again, you have no idea about Halo because we haven’t seen it. You have no idea how the next Forza Motorsports game is being made because we haven’t seen it. You’re assuming MS will develop games in the same way as multi platform third party devs would when in reality MS will have a new console they’ll be trying to get people to spend hundreds of dollars on and you’re telling us they’re going to try to do this with upscaled Xbone games 😆😆



LudicrousSpeed said:
HollyGamer said:

Yes developer can make games with all of next gen  whistles and bells , but then again this will not happen if the games are made by using Xbox One as base and then at the same time ported to Xbox Series X, the game design will be limited to what the Xbox One can cop and able to do. Porting the games to Xbox series will not suddenly make the games next gen, it will just like Xbox One X running Xbox One games.

An also stop mentioning Horizon 2 . the games are made for current gen but it got ported to old gen  . This is different from Halo Infinite where the games are made for current gen and enhanced for better hardware (like Xbox One X) , the games will not shows anything new from Xbox Series X capabilities except Resolution and Frame rates.   

Stop mentioning Horizon 2, a Microsoft game delivered early this gen when they were still supporting last gen, so you can continue to spout nonsense about games you know nothing about. No thanks. Horizon 2 is more closely related to your argument than Halo Infinite and yet you keep bringing Halo up. I could also throw in Flight Sim, it’s being made with powerful PCs in mind and they’ve already said the Xbone version will be scaled back. You assume MS designs cross gen games in a manner that supports your narrative but in reality they’ve shown not to.

Again, you have no idea about Halo because we haven’t seen it. You have no idea how the next Forza Motorsports game is being made because we haven’t seen it. You’re assuming MS will develop games in the same way as multi platform third party devs would when in reality MS will have a new console they’ll be trying to get people to spend hundreds of dollars on and you’re telling us they’re going to try to do this with upscaled Xbone games 😆😆

I mentioned Halo Infinite because it's a cross gen games and intended to run on old Xbox One with tech available for 2013, will it look bad on next gen ??? No will it shows the capability of next gen??? No it will just shows better resolution and some effect and frame rates. It will just be like playing old games on high end PC. We don't need that kind of games to shows next gen we need a proper next gen games exclusives made for Xbox series X so people buy Xbox Series X instead staying on Xbox One. 

I am not assuming,  Mad Booty told us they are focusing on gamepass and every console generation. I just telling some facts. 



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HollyGamer said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Stop mentioning Horizon 2, a Microsoft game delivered early this gen when they were still supporting last gen, so you can continue to spout nonsense about games you know nothing about. No thanks. Horizon 2 is more closely related to your argument than Halo Infinite and yet you keep bringing Halo up. I could also throw in Flight Sim, it’s being made with powerful PCs in mind and they’ve already said the Xbone version will be scaled back. You assume MS designs cross gen games in a manner that supports your narrative but in reality they’ve shown not to.

Again, you have no idea about Halo because we haven’t seen it. You have no idea how the next Forza Motorsports game is being made because we haven’t seen it. You’re assuming MS will develop games in the same way as multi platform third party devs would when in reality MS will have a new console they’ll be trying to get people to spend hundreds of dollars on and you’re telling us they’re going to try to do this with upscaled Xbone games 😆😆

I mentioned Halo Infinite because it's a cross gen games and intended to run on old Xbox One with tech available for 2013, will it look bad on next gen ??? No will it shows the capability of next gen??? No it will just shows better resolution and some effect and frame rates. It will just be like playing old games on high end PC. We don't need that kind of games to shows next gen we need a proper next gen games exclusives made for Xbox series X so people buy Xbox Series X instead staying on Xbox One. 

I am not assuming,  Mad Booty told us they are focusing on gamepass and every console generation. I just telling some facts. 

More nonsense about a game you know nothing about. You’re welcome to your opinions/delusions but please don’t call them facts 😆😆



LudicrousSpeed said:
HollyGamer said:

I mentioned Halo Infinite because it's a cross gen games and intended to run on old Xbox One with tech available for 2013, will it look bad on next gen ??? No will it shows the capability of next gen??? No it will just shows better resolution and some effect and frame rates. It will just be like playing old games on high end PC. We don't need that kind of games to shows next gen we need a proper next gen games exclusives made for Xbox series X so people buy Xbox Series X instead staying on Xbox One. 

I am not assuming,  Mad Booty told us they are focusing on gamepass and every console generation. I just telling some facts. 

More nonsense about a game you know nothing about. You’re welcome to your opinions/delusions but please don’t call them facts 😆😆

Nah, it's just you forgot to old Matt boty statement . Also you forgot Halo infinite has been developed for a very long time on Xbox One, that's speak more then fact. 



HollyGamer said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

More nonsense about a game you know nothing about. You’re welcome to your opinions/delusions but please don’t call them facts 😆😆

Nah, it's just you forgot to old Matt boty statement . Also you forgot Halo infinite has been developed for a very long time on Xbox One, that's speak more then fact. 

In the same interview you’re referencing where he talks about games running across all Xbox devices, he says the Halo team will be taking advantage of XSX. So per usual you’re cherry picking information to spin when it might suit your agenda and ignoring everything else. 

Im still waiting to read how MS is going to sell people on a $500-600 machine that plays upscaled Xbone games 😆😆



LudicrousSpeed said:
HollyGamer said:

Nah, it's just you forgot to old Matt boty statement . Also you forgot Halo infinite has been developed for a very long time on Xbox One, that's speak more then fact. 

In the same interview you’re referencing where he talks about games running across all Xbox devices, he says the Halo team will be taking advantage of XSX. So per usual you’re cherry picking information to spin when it might suit your agenda and ignoring everything else. 

Im still waiting to read how MS is going to sell people on a $500-600 machine that plays upscaled Xbone games 😆😆

They will taking the advantage of Xbox Series X and at the same time giving a high quality on all platform, it means they are targeting general consensus, which mean the lower spec A.K.A Xbox One . 

You forgot Xbox are now selling Game pass , not Xbox,  Xbox One X, nor even Xbox Series X. Gamepass is their main product. Many game pass owner owned old hardware . 



Yes yes they’re spending untold millions on developing an expensive new console so they can sell Gamepass to people playing on 2013 launch Xbone units 😆😆

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