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curl-6 said:

Nobody said first party games don't sell better. That is not the benchmark for success. Third parties do not need to sell as much as Nintendo's games to be successful, all they need to do is be profitable, and again, the fact they're still being brought over in the system's 4th year proves its worth doing.

It's actually not at all enough for a release on Switch to be profitable. It has to be more profitable and offer a higher return on investment than other options or ways that the time, staff, and money spent on the transition to Switch could take. 



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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Apart from the fact that you're showing NPD data (which is physical only on case of Nintendo, while the monthly eShop sales consist mostly of 3rd party games, especially indie titles), can you name s single 3rd party game that released in the last months on the Switch that warrants a spot on the list?

A lot of these Nintendo games are from years ago, and they are still make up the top 10 above more recent 3rd party games and like you say these Nintendo games are only Physical sales, yet still they are outselling 3rd party which are physical and digital. I think you have just proven my point



Megiddo said:

curl-6 said:

Nobody said first party games don't sell better. That is not the benchmark for success. Third parties do not need to sell as much as Nintendo's games to be successful, all they need to do is be profitable, and again, the fact they're still being brought over in the system's 4th year proves its worth doing.

It's actually not at all enough for a release on Switch to be profitable. It has to be more profitable and offer a higher return on investment than other options or ways that the time, staff, and money spent on the transition to Switch could take. 

I dont think people realize how unprofitable games genreally are, most games do not make a profit. I've even worked on more than a couple that never made money, and to be honest I'm not even sure if the current title will, 3/4 of the workforce are working from home due to Covid, We are already 5-6 months behind schedule and we only started 12 months ago. Studios will use the profits from a smash profitable game to make up for the other games that lost money.



GProgrammer said:
Megiddo said:

It's actually not at all enough for a release on Switch to be profitable. It has to be more profitable and offer a higher return on investment than other options or ways that the time, staff, and money spent on the transition to Switch could take. 

I dont think people realize how unprofitable games genreally are, most games do not make a profit

While this is a true statement in a general sense, if including every video game ever published from the heydays of Newgrounds flash games to the modern Itch.io and the thousands upon thousands of mobile game clones, if you restrict it to video games with a retail/physical release then it's a decidedly false statement.



GProgrammer said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Apart from the fact that you're showing NPD data (which is physical only on case of Nintendo, while the monthly eShop sales consist mostly of 3rd party games, especially indie titles), can you name s single 3rd party game that released in the last months on the Switch that warrants a spot on the list?

A lot of these Nintendo games are from years ago, and they are still make up the top 10 above more recent 3rd party games and like you say these Nintendo games are only Physical sales, yet still they are outselling 3rd party which are physical and digital. I think you have just proven my point

Only because you didn't answer the question: What was released lately that was worth showing up in the charts? You really need to go a couple months back to find something, and considering games from third party publishers are in 99% of the cases very frontloaded, they don't have a chance to show up anymore by this point in time.

Also, again, you're talking about the US sales on the japanese preorder chart, where you can see several third party titles charting in front of Nintendo's own titles or any PS4 titles, disproving your point already right there.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
GProgrammer said:

A lot of these Nintendo games are from years ago, and they are still make up the top 10 above more recent 3rd party games and like you say these Nintendo games are only Physical sales, yet still they are outselling 3rd party which are physical and digital. I think you have just proven my point

Only because you didn't answer the question: What was released lately that was worth showing up in the charts? You really need to go a couple months back to find something, and considering games from third party publishers are in 99% of the cases very frontloaded, they don't have a chance to show up anymore by this point in time.

Also, again, you're talking about the US sales on the japanese preorder chart, where you can see several third party titles charting in front of Nintendo's own titles or any PS4 titles, disproving your point already right there.

You want a third to sell likewise Nintendo, besides Minecraft and Rockstar, what else company has so strong single SKU on market? Pokemon level? Mario 2D level? Zelda BotW level? Animal Crossing Level? Mario Kart level?

And take the tier level below that, you have one or two games by Sony, EA with Fifa, COD, Skyrim and, maybe, Monster Hunter World. Fifa is a legacy game on Switch, CoD never launch on the system( besides sells more than one million on Wii and DS). 



COMG! Japan Pre-Order Chart October 18, 2020

Rank Prev Console Game Total Change Days left Price Publisher
1 NSW Momotaro Dentetsu: Showa, Heisei, Reiwa mo Teiban! 59 +2 33 ¥6,300 Konami
2 NSW Monster Hunter Rise 45 +2 160 ¥7,990 Capcom
3 PS4 Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne HD Remaster 33 0 12 ¥5,980 Atlus
4 NSW Pikmin 3 Deluxe 32 +2 13 ¥5,980 Nintendo
5 NSW Atelier Ryza 2: Lost Legends & the Secret Fairy 25 0 47 ¥7,800 Koei Tecmo
6 PS4 Atelier Ryza 2: Lost Legends & the Secret Fairy 23 0 47 ¥7,800 Koei Tecmo
7 PS4 Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne HD Remaster (LE) 23 0 12 ¥13,980 Atlus
8 NSW Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne HD Remaster 22 0 12 ¥5,980 Atlus
9 NSW Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity 21 0 34 ¥7,920 Koei Tecmo
10 NSW Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne HD Remaster (LE) 21 0 12 ¥13,980 Atlus
11 PS4 Watch Dogs: Legion 17 0 12 ¥8,400 Ubisoft
12 NSW Atelier Ryza 2: Lost Legends & the Secret Fairy (LE) 14 0 47 ¥10,850 Koei Tecmo
13 PS4 Cyberpunk 2077 14 0 33 ¥7,980 Spike Chunsoft
14 PS4 Assassin's Creed Valhalla 10 0 24 ¥8,400 Ubisoft
15 ⬆︎2 PS4 Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War 8 +1 27 ¥7,900 SIE
16 ⬇︎1 PS4 Kamen Rider: Memory of Heroez (LE) 8 0 12 ¥11,800 Bandai Namco
17 ⬇︎1 NSW Monster Hunter Rise (Double Pack) 7 0 160 ¥15,254 Capcom
18 NSW Zoids Wild: Infinity Blast (LE) 7 0 40 ¥8,980 Takara Tomy
19 NSW Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin 7 0 26 ¥4,980 Marvelous
20 NSW Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury 5 +1 118 ¥5,980 Nintendo


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Megiddo said:

curl-6 said:

Nobody said first party games don't sell better. That is not the benchmark for success. Third parties do not need to sell as much as Nintendo's games to be successful, all they need to do is be profitable, and again, the fact they're still being brought over in the system's 4th year proves its worth doing.

It's actually not at all enough for a release on Switch to be profitable. It has to be more profitable and offer a higher return on investment than other options or ways that the time, staff, and money spent on the transition to Switch could take. 

There are tons of dedicated porting houses so it doesn't have to take much staff or resources from the source company at all, and clearly it is worth doing as we're in the Switch's 4th year now and we're still getting releases like Immortals Fenyx Rising, Outer Worlds, Ori & the Will of the Wisps, Sniper Elite 4, Doom Eternal, Crysis Remastered, Subnautica, World War Z, Atelier Ryza 2, etc plus full-on new exclusives upcoming like Monster Hunter Rise, MH Stories 2, Bravely Default II, Rune Factory 5, Shin Megami Tensei 5, etc.

If the myth that Switch owners don't buy third party games was true, then it'd be in the same position now as Wii U was in 2015/16 with no noteworthy third party support at all.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 17 October 2020

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

Hades (aside from the Mario collection) was most likely the biggest selling game on switch last month but that won’t show up on the npds lol