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vivster said:

Fun fact: The highest amount of units an Xbox ever sold is lower than the lowest amount a Playstation console ever sold. We might want to think about that a bit before we decide whose marketing we worry about.

We have to worry as it is unnaceptable to sell less than 120M Playstations in a gen, Sony are doomed when that happens.

zero129 said:
DonFerrari said:

We had a over 500 replies thread discussing it and you were part of it but still don't understand that the GDC video wasn't meant to be a console reveal but a deep dive on the architeture of PS5?

And reacting to what? The show was recorded weeks in advance and was know to several journalists several days before MS had talked about their specs.

We get it, you just wanted to get a one up. 

I think it is funny that people think Sony could react to MS revealing the info on a single day to make the video, divulgue date and all, but took 2 days to post clarifying the BC of PS4 on PS5 (no mention of other aspects of BC) nor make a streamlined video of the same information more geared towards gamer based on the allegedly bad reception of their GDC video.

And when GDC was cancelled Sony made a mistake still releasing that video anyways. Thats the point. They should of just redone it for ya know more people who are casuals and gamers not developers. So yes i do feel like they reacted as they could of redone it but decided to put out what they had anyways.

Its not about getting one up on anything so i honestly dont know where your getting that from.

This video has left a bad impression in a number of peoples heads and has put a lot of Sony fans in total defense mode trying to explain the SSD of the PS5 since Cerny didn't do a very good job of it.

You can say that is a mistake, I don't think so, but that is irrelevant.

How can you say they reacted by not doing anything? (also ignore that the date was already know by journalists days before MS showing anything, and also that whatever was said in the video was long before the information of Xbox was public).

So I would like you to explain how it is a reaction to do nothing and just do what you were already planning to. If you were criticizing the lack of reaction (like when you said they should have changed the content) ok, but the other part becomes contradictory.

The impression I have this was a try to get a one up was your responses in other threads about PS5.



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zero129 said:

Imo i agree. I think Sony's PS5's first impressions has been horrible. It almost felt like Sony rushed it out in response to MS, but first impressions do always leave an impact. I think Sony needs to pick up the ball before MS runs with it, as atm MS has only been getting positive news and if MS keeps it up it could have an impact. What do you all think?.

Honestly, I think ppl have misunderstood what's going on here. 

Wired magazine is a science and tech publication with 27.1 unique digital users and 22m social media followers. Their article exclusives are giving PS5 info disseminated to circles outside of gaming.

Their GDC presentation was exactly that, a presentation for developers. It was going to be uploaded with them cancelling their GDC presence, so by design ppl would have seen it. Now, devs who needed info on the PS5 have now seen it too. 

You see, Sony haven't actually messaged towards the general consumer yet because they probably see no need to do so so early. MS have already played a lot of their cards. Ultimately all they have left are games, which to be honest don't seem as important to the general gaming public as Sony's.

When Sony actually do start focusing their messages on the gaming consumer, MS will be drowned out. MS have been in marketing their new Xbox since E3 last year. Sony hasn't even really properly begun.

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If Microsoft make everything right the next generation they are going to sell something like 70 M. and Sony 100
Im a Xbox player but this is the most realistic scenario. Good for all players, and every Ps and Xbox fan eventually buy a swicht.

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Yup I have to agree.

While that PS5 deep-dive was exactly what it was designed to be, I think that is a horrible way to introduce your new hardware to the world. Basically a video of what should've been a technical whitepaper with not a single demo showing or explaining anything.

Technically, they "still" have not revealed the console. So it's not all that bad yet. And this would all probably end when they actually show games and the hardware. But I feel even with what they have shown it could have been better handled and only hope they learn from this misstep and it not be the harbinger of thing to come

I do feel that this a lot to with the fact they have 3 major AAA games all due between now and June this year though. Its almost said they don't want to go full steam ahead into the PS5 until GoT is released. So I am expecting a proper PS5 full-blown reveal around July. And they would probably also be showing PS5 versions of TLOU2, FF7R, and GoT on it too.

MS has been ready for this gen to end since the end of 2018.



I don’t think they’ve really even started marketing at all.

A good reveal event with some quality looking games and no one will remember cringe Cerny’s PowerPoint presentation.



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Agree that the marketing has been terrible but it will all pass once the games are announced, specially if the ps5 use the same strategy of the ps4 of announcing games that were in very early development only to generate hype.



zero129 said:
vivster said:

Fun fact: The highest amount of units an Xbox ever sold is lower than the lowest amount a Playstation console ever sold. We might want to think about that a bit before we decide whose marketing we worry about.

Fun fact: Before Sony came along Nintendo and Sega where the top dogs. PS1 and 2 destroyed their competitors, PS3 lost Sony billions and allowed MS to double their market share and gain a foothold in the console market place and the Wii became the best selling console of that gen. PS3 was also the cause of the PS brands creator Ken Kutaragi to step down. MS came from a very successful gen with XB360 only to mess up big time with their always on DRM and kinect focus and bad marketing and weaker console then the PS4 yet costing more. Anyway point being Things can go wrong in a single generation for a console maker.

Marketing and first impressions can have a lot to do with that.

Before Nintendo and SEGA dropped the ball they haven't had had 30 years of selling 80 million units minimum. If anything the PS3 shows that Sony cannot possibly fail. It wasn't possible for Xbox to beat them despite having a year head start, initially the better game offering and better price. Yep, the x360 doubled market share and then promptly lost it back again.

Let's pretend that you're not underestimating Sony. You're still massively overestimating their competition. Sony dropped the ball once in 4 generations and still beat out the competition while selling over 80m units. While in the meantime in 2 of their 3 generations Xbox couldn't even get close, i.e. dropped the ball. So how come all your confidence lies with the competition who has shown in the past that it cannot compete, while all the doubt is centered on the company that has not ever lost? Isn't that a bit of a disconnect?

You talk about how Nintendo and SEGA were destroyed from a position of power. Now remind me please, who was it that destroyed them?

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vivster said:
zero129 said:

Fun fact: Before Sony came along Nintendo and Sega where the top dogs. PS1 and 2 destroyed their competitors, PS3 lost Sony billions and allowed MS to double their market share and gain a foothold in the console market place and the Wii became the best selling console of that gen. PS3 was also the cause of the PS brands creator Ken Kutaragi to step down. MS came from a very successful gen with XB360 only to mess up big time with their always on DRM and kinect focus and bad marketing and weaker console then the PS4 yet costing more. Anyway point being Things can go wrong in a single generation for a console maker.

Marketing and first impressions can have a lot to do with that.

Before Nintendo and SEGA dropped the ball they haven't had had 30 years of selling 80 million units minimum. If anything the PS3 shows that Sony cannot possibly fail. It wasn't possible for Xbox to beat them despite having a year head start, initially the better game offering and better price. Yep, the x360 doubled market share and then promptly lost it back again. Let's pretend that you're not underestimating Sony. You're still massively overestimating their competition. Sony dropped the ball once in 4 generations and still beat out the competition while selling over 80m units. While in the meantime in 2 of their 3 generations Xbox couldn't even get close, i.e. dropped the ball. So how come all your confidence lies with the competition who has shown in the past that it cannot compete, while all the doubt is centered on the company that has not ever lost? Isn't that a bit of a disconnect? You talk about how Nintendo and SEGA were destroyed from a position of power. Now remind me please, who was it that destroyed them? Sorry, for the bad formatting, it's currently impossible to edit with a browser.

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vivster said:
zero129 said:

Fun fact: Before Sony came along Nintendo and Sega where the top dogs. PS1 and 2 destroyed their competitors, PS3 lost Sony billions and allowed MS to double their market share and gain a foothold in the console market place and the Wii became the best selling console of that gen. PS3 was also the cause of the PS brands creator Ken Kutaragi to step down. MS came from a very successful gen with XB360 only to mess up big time with their always on DRM and kinect focus and bad marketing and weaker console then the PS4 yet costing more. Anyway point being Things can go wrong in a single generation for a console maker.

Marketing and first impressions can have a lot to do with that.

Before Nintendo and SEGA dropped the ball they haven't had had 30 years of selling 80 million units minimum. If anything the PS3 shows that Sony cannot possibly fail. It wasn't possible for Xbox to beat them despite having a year head start, initially the better game offering and better price. Yep, the x360 doubled market share and then promptly lost it back again. Let's pretend that you're not underestimating Sony. You're still massively overestimating their competition. Sony dropped the ball once in 4 generations and still beat out the competition while selling over 80m units. While in the meantime in 2 of their 3 generations Xbox couldn't even get close, i.e. dropped the ball. So how come all your confidence lies with the competition who has shown in the past that it cannot compete, while all the doubt is centered on the company that has not ever lost? Isn't that a bit of a disconnect? You talk about how Nintendo and SEGA were destroyed from a position of power. Now remind me please, who was it that destroyed them? Sorry, for the bad formatting, it's currently impossible to edit with a browser.

In a traditional sense your argument is pretty rock solid. The PS brand sells itself at this point. Even at their worst generation the market bounced them back. 

I can’t speak for my fanbase as a whole but I personally have zero delusions: even if MS makes an objectively better console and Sony worst case gets their PS3 era hubris...Xbox will still loose. I have no doubt. Europe and Asia just prefer PS. 

Think MS knows this too. Which is why they are changing the game. To them it’s no longer about who sells the most plastic boxes (though that still matters greatly), its more about  a higher active player base. Because more players is ultimately end goal of console competition anyway, MS just bypassing the console barrier for entry. I am however confident that between console, PC, Game Pass and Xcloud Ms can in fact beat Sony with a more active playerbase. 

Take this thread for what it is. Sony could be doing much better to give their fans some transparency. Yes yes they are delivering the games. But the way they are handling the next gen launch is almost like an afterthought compared to MS, and imo it’s a little disrespectful. 

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