And since we are posting rumors in here and peoples opinions as facts lets see what a former Sony Game Designer has to say about the power difference

"I’ve chatted to a few devs and they have confirmed the power difference is quite staggering," said Grannell. "However they have said it doesn’t mean you can’t make good games on the PS5. These fanboys clearly don’t care about that and are massively rattled."

He seems to think the power difference will be quite staggering.

Sorry, didn't see this. 

First off, I never said more CUs (which are shaders) = worse performance. I said XSX would have a harder time hating that 1825Mhz lock than the PS5 would have hitting its 2230Mhz clock. Saying something will have a harder time is not the same thing as saying t can't do it...unless that's what you want to see it as. But it's not the same thing though. I mean I think even in what you quoted I literally said "they will hit those clocks whenever they are needed to hit them".

The reason is simple and obvious really... the size of the chip. Its simply easier clocking a smaller chip higher than it is clocking a larger chip high. And its harder dissipating heat from larger chip than it is from smaller ones. Look at every single GPU out there, or CPU, it's not a coincidence that the ones with really high core counts run at slightly lower clock speeds.

And with regard to the other stuff I posted.. you and others may call it one guys opinion, but it doesn't mean he said is no true. If you take the information available, his depiction of things is literally the benefits that the SSD would bring. And how it can be utilized. I obviously agree with his explanation, which is why I posted it. You don't have to agree with it obviously.

Microsoft has stated it's performance profiles can be maintained without variability AFAIK.
It should be able to maintain that 1825Mhz clock without any drama.

Its PS5 that down-clocks the GPU or CPU depending on load not the XBSX as thats its peak clock that its running at on full load the same cant be said about the PS5, so unless im reading what you wrote wrong why would the XBX have a harder time?. to me that sounds like downplaying

Kinda like how some Sony fans are claiming SSD's will make up for the power difference (Its a running joke atm).

I honestly dont agree with that users post you quoted from beyond3d it sounds once again like a sony fan downplaying and wishful thinking.

I mean come on?, PS5's SSD really is becoming their secret sauce if users honestly think its going to give the PS5 like what 22GB's of ram? and allow for higher quality textures etc(Kinda like how the cloud was going to do that for XBOne ).

But here lets look at this

Xbox Series X’s BCPack Texture Compression Technique Reportedly Better than the PS5’s Kraken

"Texture decompression isn’t something that Microsoft have talked about for the Xbox Series X too much yet, but according to industry professionals, their solution might be better even than Sony’s Kraken. Richard Geldreich, who formerly worked at Valve and Ensemble Studios, took to Twitter to say that Microoft’s texture decompression, BCPack, is their “dark horse” and might be a stronger option than Kraken.

He posed that question to James Stanard, who works on graphics optimization R&D and engine architecture on Microsoft. Though Stanard was reluctant to divulge many details about it, he went on to explain it briefly, it is specifically designed for texture decompression, before Geldreich added that being dedicated tech for this purpose will allow it to function more efficiently than Kraken, which is more of a general purpose system."

I am relaxed and dont even own any of the consoles so i have no horse in them console wars. However i do find the amount of stuff people will try to come up with as pretty funny.

Start of this gen, or should we call it last gen now? MS fans had the cloud etc to make up for the power difference this gen Sony fans have the SSD and how MS can only use half its ram but Sony can use all of theirs etc. I have to say it really is quite entertaining .

I think its obvious how and where the advantages would show themselves. All we have to do is look at the PS4/XB1 and the pS4pro/XB1X. Then take into account just how different those consoles were from each other respectively.

The "gap" or "power difference" people are alluding to, while there, is nowhere even close to as significant as any of the aforementioned comparisons.

A simple way to ut it, not only does the upcoming gen represent the smallest gap ever between two PS vs Xbox consoles at launch, the bar has collectively been set so high that it gets really hard to spot the difference. For reference, watch the RE3/Doometernal digital foundry videos. Look at the XB1X vs the PS4pro. Then remember that the XB1X has a 50% compute advantage, 50% RAM bandwidth advantage and 50% More RAM.

Im sorry if my replys make you feel edgy. Giving another opinion (Along with quotes from actual devs not just random beyond3d users) isnt turning the thread into something else unless you just want the whole thread to be all pro sony. It seems to me that your bias here is making you take offense where the is none.

And the things i've said no one has said?.

1. in your quote from Beyond3D was how XBSX will only have 5gb free ram "For XSeX ~5GB of "free" RAM"

2. and how out of that 5gb free ram XBSX will only be able to use 2.5gb for streaming in textures "we can divide it into 2 parts: resident and streaming."

3. You quoted that post about how the SSD in the PS5 will allow it to use 2-3X the quality textures/Scenes and assets of the XBSX "PS5 can have 2x to 3x more details/textures/assets than XSeX."

4. The Secret sauce part was simply put since thats what XBOne fans tried saying the cloud etc would allow XBOne too have and now your quoting a person who clearly seems to think the SSD is some kind of Secret sauce that will allow it to have higher quality textures assets and scenes then the XBSX.

5. We have you talking about how we cant downclock the PS5 GPU and leave the XBSX GPU as is "First we can't downclock the PS5 GPU and leave the XSX GPU as is" Yet Cerny himself stated the GPU clock rate is based on how much load the CPU and GPU is using. Thats not the case for the XBSX

6. We also have you talking about how the XBSX will have a harder time hitting their clocks and how less CU's work out better for PS5 then more CU's O_O "Especially the PS5. It may seem hard to believe, but its actually easier for thePS5 to hit its 2.2Ghz clock than it would be for the XSX to ht its 1.8Ghz clock."

Lets not try making it look like im derailing the topic by calling out what your quoting/saying for the simple reason that im just not blindly going along with what your saying and have an opinion on the subject thats different then yours.

Perhaps you've quite a liberal interpretation of the words 'nowhere close'.

There is a gap of 20% at peak performance. We know from Sony peak performance is theoretical, because the CPU or GPU will be throttled. What they have not told us (somewhat concerning, given they had a whole hour conference), is their minimum performance. I.e. What is the minimum simultaneous performance of the CPU and GPU the PS5 can sustain. 

In terms of the components for which we have the most evidence, the minimum gap is 20%. The maximum gap is unknown, until Sony tells us or a tech company gets a hold of the final product and tells us for them.

Again, until we see games, all we know is that the Xbox is more capable, and that this capability gap may well be moderate, or could be more significant.

Edit: Obviously not going to engage with your PS4P Vs XOX argument given you deliberately left off the fact they each have near identical CPU bottlenecks - that way be dragons.

Perhaps you've quite a liberal interpretation of the words 'nowhere close'.

There is a gap of 20% at peak performance. We know from Sony peak performance is theoretical, because the CPU or GPU will be throttled. What they have not told us (somewhat concerning, given they had a whole hour conference), is their minimum performance. I.e. What is the minimum simultaneous performance of the CPU and GPU the PS5 can sustain. 

In terms of the components for which we have the most evidence, the minimum gap is 20%. The maximum gap is unknown, until Sony tells us or a tech company gets a hold of the final product and tells us for them.

Again, until we see games, all we know is that the Xbox is more capable, and that this capability gap may well be moderate, or could be more significant.

Edit: Obviously not going to engage with your PS4P Vs XOX argument given you deliberately left off the fact they each have near identical CPU bottlenecks - that way be dragons.

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2. Jesus... twisting words much? Yes. I said it would actually be harder for the XSX to hit its clocks. I was speaking design-wise. Its generally harder to get bigger chips (XSX) than it is to get smaller chips (PS5) to hit their clocks. And YES, its easier saturating the CUs of a smaller chip than it is o a larger chip with more CUs. these are all known facts. And I ai al that in a replay to someone.