Haha yeah I'm also scratching my head with my week over week change charts. Most countries just look like seismic shock charts plus more and more countries are starting to fudge the numbers, reporting less often, revising counts, changing counting methods. Everything the west accused China of doing to suppress the numbers...

Anyway looking at the reported deaths for Mexico, they must be under reporting cases by at least a factor 20.
By the same metric the USA is still missing 3x as many cases as reported.

Looking at current 7 day average reported deaths

Mexico: 5.81 deaths per million per day
Brazil: 4.83 deaths per million per day
UK: 1.97 deaths per million per day
USA: 1.84 deaths per million per day
India: 0.28 deaths per million per day

I hear people now say that we are too far in so we should just completely open and let the virus take its course and whoever is left alive can resume a normal life.

When this started I didn't think i would be hearing those types of comments.

IFR is somewhere around 0.6% to 1%, with covid19.
Assumeing you need 70%+ infected to reach herd immunity....

That means potentially 1,39m to 2,3m deaths (best case).
Likely IFR % goes up if your hospital system cant keep up with incomeing patients.
(some states are starting to run out of ICU bed space for covid19 patients, now)

Not to mention, its hard to keep going on as normal, when a leathal virus is makeing its way though society.
Ignoreing it, and continueing on as if nothing is wrong, and let it runs its course.... is going to have just as bad conscequences as trying to manage it.
(ei. it might still be cheaper and better for the economy to do a 2nd lockdown, not to mention human life costs)

"When this started I didn't think i would be hearing those types of comments."

Im not surprised some think how the stockmaket is doing, is more important than human lives.
We've also heard alot of republicans going "I would die for this flag, my freedoms,.. " who seem to think dieing for the economy is fine.

Well, do consider the state our world is in, and replace "people" for "planet" in your maxim.

Then you'll see the political and sociological likelihood of further lockdowns etc.

It works for a lot of things, really. To care about child famine in Yemen, or manufacturers using slave labor in China to make my consoles? What's wrong with you?

And that's still ignoring the collateral damage. Long lasting or permanent lung scarring even in asymptomatic patients. A rise in Kawasaki disease in children. And now a rise in Diabetes is observed in covid-19 patients. The costs of dealing with that in the future will add up.

Never mind there are still so many questions about effectiveness of immunity achieved by asymptomatic carriers, how long it will last or how well it will protect you against new strains. Letting it spread through the population is also giving the virus maximum opportunity to mutate into a more infectious version if not more damaging.

Short term thinking is what will bring society down. Heck we might already be past the point of return on global warming. If we can't even deal with a pandemic that could have been squashed in a matter of months, what chance is there to deal with global warming. It looks like we're stuck with covid19 until we can somehow convince enough people to get vaccinated over the next couple of years, provided we actually find an effective long lasting vaccine. Otherwise it's just going to keep circling around the globe with the only hope a less damaging more infectious strain pushes out the current more damaging version.

man things are really ugly in Brazil. One of my relatives got the virus, stayed in intensive care a few days but it took like 3 weeks to be able to leave bed, and will have damaged lungs forever.
The press is not mentioning it too much but a lot of people will have side issues caused by the virus even if they recover.

Can we please stop with this herd immunity bullshit? It's not a "strategy" and no country is actually "going for it". According to current research it's not even a goal worth striving for because by the time enough people are immune the first people have already lost their immunity again. Herd immunity will only ever happen with mandatory vaccinations and we are far from that point and in a lot of countries it won't even happen at all.

Stop pretending that countries that simply do nothing have some kind of strategy in mind.

There's certainly truth to the maxim, but the statement is only solid in a bubble.

Weakening or 'losing' an economy due to a Covid influenced lock down, leads to non Covid related negatives, like deaths. Are those people simply viewed as collateral damage? If so, then who get's to choose who's considered collateral damage? Who's undeniably right or wrong?

One way or another some amount of people are suffering and dying because of this, but it's who get's to choose and who benefits or pays the price.

There's no simple right or wrong answer here. It all depends on your point of view based on what information is available, solid or questionable.

Without plenty of irrefutable facts, or absolute knowledge of the future, no decision can easily be highly agreed upon by the masses in the scenario we're in.

Those who refuse to accept the reality of the present political leadership are equally responsible for it's...

It either goes both ways or isn't true for either statement.

Comparing healthcare systems

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/tweets-comparing-u-s-and-canadian-health-care-during-pandemic-strike-nerve-1.5001456

One former U.S. insurance executive’s tweets -- which accused the insurance industry of spending “big” money to downplay the merits of the Canadian system -- have drawn attention to this issue and the disparities between the Canadian model and the U.S. one.

“Amid America's #COVID19 disaster, I must come clean about a lie I spread as a health insurance exec: We spent big $$ to push the idea that Canada's single-payer system was awful & the U.S. system much better. It was a lie & the nations' COVID responses prove it,” Wendell Potter tweeted on Thursday.


The differences:

Across the broader industry, the U.S. spent nearly US$30 billion in 2016 on health-care advertising, according to a study published last year in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Earlier this year, a study published by the Annals of Internal Medicine showed that the U.S. health system spent four times more than Canada just in administrative costs alone. And, according to the Canadian Institute for Health information (CIHI), Canada spent about 10.7 per cent of its GDP on health care in 2018, or $6,448 per person, while the United States spent about 16.9 percent of its GDP, or $13.722 per person.



“I am a Canadian living and working in the USA.  I have had 2 sinus surgeries in my life, one in each country.  My surgery in Canada by a top rated ENT?  Free.  My surgery in the USA by a top rated ENT? $65,000.00,” wrote one user, who added that he was lucky his employer’s health insurance covered most of his U.S. bill.

Earlier this month, a 70-year-old American man who nearly died of COVID-19 shared his astronomical 181-page, US$1.1 million hospital bill following 62 days in the hospital. His bill included US$100,000 in charges during the two days when he appeared close to death.


Not that Canada is doing great

Despite Potter’s favourable comparisons to the U.S. -- which has the highest number of confirmed cases and one of the highest numbers of deaths per capita in the world -- Canada’s figures are still very high compared to many other countries around the world.

Canadians have been especially appalled by what has happened in hundreds of the country’s long-term care homes. The proportion of deaths in these facilities have accounted for more than 80 percent of all COVID-related deaths in the country. A report issued by CIHI on Thursday found that proportion was roughly twice the average of rates from 16 other developed nations. By comparison, deaths in long-term care facilities made up 31 percent of all deaths in the U.S., according to CIHI’s study.

A lot of those long-term care facilities are privately owned and are now being taken over by the government or assisted by the military.


Here's the tweet
https://twitter.com/wendellpotter/status/1276158510955401216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1276158510955401216&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ctvnews.ca%2Fhealth%2Fcoronavirus%2Ftweets-comparing-u-s-and-canadian-health-care-during-pandemic-strike-nerve-1.5001456