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eva01beserk on 24 February 2020
ironmanDX said:
eva01beserk said:

I will proove my worthiness. I vow to over react to the smalles criticism of xbox. To fight online anybody who doubts the PR coming from the holy company. Move all goal post as much as I need. No matter how ridiculous I sound. At the end it does not matter as my brothers will accept it.

Ps. I know I'm in hot water. I'll see my self out. I Got to stop responding to certain people as it never leads to anything productive. 

Oi, now I feel like you're taking jabs at me.

Honestly, I just did this because I'm sick of this thread. I more or less agree with sales and Pugs.

Not taking jabs at you. Don't think I got into a thing with you before. Something tells me you dont seem like a guy with blinders on who thinks everything is perfect. It's one thing to be hopefully and agree with a method its another to ignore any little critisim and yell at the wall.



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Conina on 24 February 2020
goopy20 said:

Kinect wasn't just a thing MS did on the side and at first it wasn't all about casuals either. They released the thing in 2010 and basically their whole E3 conference was about 5-year-old's flailing on stage AND 3rd party core games like Ghost Recon having Kinect support https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vW_RqhNOM. They no doubt got a lot of hate from their core fanbase but they didn't care. Because all their E3 conferences from 2010 till 2012 were the same. They showed a Halo, Gears or Forza and then we got a full hour of Kinect nonsense. And then they dropped the mother load on us when they revealed the Xone in 2013.

As a former Xbot, I clearly remember how embarrassing it was to watch their conferences, while Sony fanboys were laughing at me in the streets and throwing sticks at me. Of course Sony also tried to reach broader audiences, but they never changed their core focus. They did show a bit of Move stuff and then they went on, showing the things their core audience wanted. That's the difference here.

If you base your opinion on E3 presentations (instead of basing it on the released games each year), then also 3D and Move weren't just a thing Sony did on the side.

Sony E3 2010: 3D, 3D, 3D, Move, Move, Move: https://www.gamesradar.com/e3-2010-sony-press-conference-explodes-in-3d/

Sony E3 2011: sorry about the PSN hack, Vita, Vita, 3D, 3D, Move, Move



goopy20 on 24 February 2020
Conina said:
goopy20 said:

Kinect wasn't just a thing MS did on the side and at first it wasn't all about casuals either. They released the thing in 2010 and basically their whole E3 conference was about 5-year-old's flailing on stage AND 3rd party core games like Ghost Recon having Kinect support https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vW_RqhNOM. They no doubt got a lot of hate from their core fanbase but they didn't care. Because all their E3 conferences from 2010 till 2012 were the same. They showed a Halo, Gears or Forza and then we got a full hour of Kinect nonsense. And then they dropped the mother load on us when they revealed the Xone in 2013.

As a former Xbot, I clearly remember how embarrassing it was to watch their conferences, while Sony fanboys were laughing at me in the streets and throwing sticks at me. Of course Sony also tried to reach broader audiences, but they never changed their core focus. They did show a bit of Move stuff and then they went on, showing the things their core audience wanted. That's the difference here.

If you base your opinion on E3 presentations (instead of basing it on the released games each year), then also 3D and Move weren't just a thing Sony did on the side.

Sony E3 2010: 3D, 3D, 3D, Move, Move, Move: https://www.gamesradar.com/e3-2010-sony-press-conference-explodes-in-3d/

Sony E3 2011: sorry about the PSN hack, Vita, Vita, 3D, 3D, Move, Move

True, Sony also had their terrible moments with the Move, PSP and 3D. But while Sony's conferences weren't that great, they were fantastic compared to what MS was doing. Also, they pretty much stopped with the Move stuff a year later and finished last gen pretty strong with games like TLOU and GOW, while MS never stopped pushing the damn Kinect. 

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LudicrousSpeed on 24 February 2020

Wow look at all of those Kinect games.

Now explain how Kinect, which requires drastically different games that are huge departures from traditional gaming, is anything like GamePass or xCloud, which take the games we already play and puts them in to the services.



goopy20 on 24 February 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
Wow look at all of those Kinect games.

Now explain how Kinect, which requires drastically different games that are huge departures from traditional gaming, is anything like GamePass or xCloud, which take the games we already play and puts them in to the services.

They're not. I'm just saying they share the same end goal and it comes at a cost for anyone who just wants a next gen console to play the technically best exclusives possible. With this new strategy they're going to fragment the Xbox brand and the Series X will just be a small part of that, instead of their main focus. We will see how the scaling works but all I know is that the Series X is going to be a hard sell in the first two years. Not only will it be competing with the ps5, it will be competing with the X1, X1X, Lockhart that'll play the same games at a fraction of the price. Marketing and sales wise it will be a nightmare and I'm sure MS knows this. But apparently they are fine with it, because they are convinced there's a bigger fish to catch. It was the same thing with Kinect, which was actually a financial success for MS and why they kept pushing it so hard.

MS is just going in the next gen with a totally different strategy and I guess we will have to see how that'll work out. 

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Mr Puggsly on 24 February 2020
goopy20 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Even while MS was doing Kinect and the TV stuff, they never stopped making core software either. If you wanna argue Sony did a better job, that's fine. MS objectively made mistakes with X1 and its launch, but they were always pushing core software as well.

Sometimes you start a thought with an element of truth... then you fall into a rabbit hole of utter bullshit.

Who had the impression Kinect was for core gamers? You mean the thing with that launched a family friendly device that was obviously competing with Wii? What bizarro marketing did you get?

You're concerned MS won't be able to "show mind blowing graphics" while sharing games with X1? Do you recall the reaction people had to Hellblade 2? People argued it was impossible to bring that to X1.

You should also consider there are games that look significantly better on PC than console. The 9th gen consoles will actually be able to handle those closer to their highest fidelity.

xCloud won't be the preference of many people. Same goes for PS Now. But clearly some people like it. You seem to forget Sony has been in cloud gaming for years.

Halo Infinite has been in development for years. Do you think it's gonna be more enjoyable just by removing X1 support? It's a stupid argument. Also, what if Halo Infinite looks significantly better beyond resolution and performance? Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 look much better on PC for example.

And again, in 2013 and 2014 cross gen games dominated the 8th gen exclusives in sales and critically. You keep posting and ignore all trends.

Kinect wasn't just a thing MS did on the side and at first it wasn't all about casuals either. They released the thing in 2010 and basically their whole E3 conference was about 5-year-old's flailing on stage AND 3rd party core games like Ghost Recon having Kinect support https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vW_RqhNOM. They no doubt got a lot of hate from their core fanbase but they didn't care. Because all their E3 conferences from 2010 till 2012 were the same. They showed a Halo, Gears or Forza and then we got a full hour of Kinect nonsense. And then they dropped the mother load on us when they revealed the Xone in 2013.

As a former Xbot, I clearly remember how embarrassing it was to watch their conferences, while Sony fanboys were laughing at me in the streets and throwing sticks at me. Of course Sony also tried to reach broader audiences, but they never changed their core focus. They did show a bit of Move stuff and then they went on, showing the things their core audience wanted. That's the difference here.

Now we are at the dawn of a new console generation and the only thing people want to hear and see, is what these things can do. That's why exclusive launch games are important, even if they do turn out to be just glorified tech demos and most will people buy the AAA cross-gen games in the end. So why is MS even mentioning they will have no next gen exclusives for the next 2 years? Because I'm pretty sure that's not what their core audience wants to hear. Now maybe I'm overreacting and it's just because they have nothing in the pipeline. But launching a new console takes years of planning. So wouldn't it be odd if they now have everything ready and all of a sudden go "wait a second, who was making those launch games again?!". They launched Gears of War 1 on the exact same day the ps3 launched ffs.

Doesn't it stand to reason that when a company is about to launch a new console, they want people to get excited about them next gen games? Yet, their cross-gen comment has the exact opposite effect... That's why I'm thinking there has to be another reason for making such a statement. They're aiming for something else than just a next gen console and just like with Kinect, they are forcing it down people's throats at the expense of giving their core audience what they want.

 

Kinect features in core games was mostly simple features like voice commands. At its the core the Kinext was always for casuals in regard to actual software produced for it. The actual marketing always pushed it as casual, family friendly device.

Again, MS always produced core content. Even when Kinect launched with X1. If you wanna argue Sony was doing better at it, that would be valid.

People don't want glorified tech demos. That's why cross gen games dominated the exclusives in 2013 and 2014.

However, cross gen games can still demonstrate a vast tech disparity. For example BF4 looked significantly better, ran at 60 fps and had more robust MP content. Just having a more polished experience is part of what next gen is about. Not just underwhelming launch games that are pretty.



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LudicrousSpeed on 24 February 2020
goopy20 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Wow look at all of those Kinect games.

Now explain how Kinect, which requires drastically different games that are huge departures from traditional gaming, is anything like GamePass or xCloud, which take the games we already play and puts them in to the services.

They're not. I'm just saying they share the same end goal and it comes at a cost for anyone who just wants a next gen console to play the technically best exclusives possible. With this new strategy they're going to fragment the Xbox brand and the Series X will just be a small part of that, instead of their main focus. We will see how the scaling works but all I know is that the Series X is going to be a hard sell in the first two years. Not only will it be competing with the ps5, it will be competing with the X1, X1X, Lockhart that'll play the same games at a fraction of the price. Marketing and sales wise it will be a nightmare and I'm sure MS knows this. But apparently they are fine with it, because they are convinced there's a bigger fish to catch. It was the same thing with Kinect, which was actually a financial success for MS and why they kept pushing it so hard.

MS is just going in the next gen with a totally different strategy and I guess we will have to see how that'll work out. 

We’ve went over this already, the end goal of every company is to expand their market and make more money. If you don’t think Sony will be implementing more cloud services, coming up with a GamePass type service, and continuing to push VR, you’re not thinking correctly. Here’s where you say “well yeah but Sony can push those AND release games” and I reply that MS can too. Here’s where I remind you that GamePass and xCloud and cross play have no impact on the games MS makes. 

You’re still talking about two years of cross gen games when MS said it would be one, max. For you to continue to insist it’s longer would mean you predict they’ll support cross play for longer than the timeline they laid out. So it will be a success for them then? Wow who knew you could be optimistic about MS without even meaning to be.

Imagine thinking a company is going to spend the money to make a 12TF beast of a console to play Xbone ports 😆😆😆



sales2099 on 24 February 2020
eva01beserk said:
ironmanDX said:

No, you're only a prospect Xbot. You must prove yourself worthy of the Series X.

I will proove my worthiness. I vow to over react to the smalles criticism of xbox. To fight online anybody who doubts the PR coming from the holy company. Move all goal post as much as I need. No matter how ridiculous I sound. At the end it does not matter as my brothers will accept it.

Ps. I know I'm in hot water. I'll see my self out. I Got to stop responding to certain people as it never leads to anything productive. 

Really quite simple. Just a matter of getting a shovel or any digging instrument, and simply dig up the goal post. Move it to a place of your choosing and simply replant it. Do it at night so the next day people see the goal post in its new spot and generally don’t question it. 

ps thanks for injecting some lightheartedness into this thread :)



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sales2099 on 25 February 2020
goopy20 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Wow look at all of those Kinect games.

Now explain how Kinect, which requires drastically different games that are huge departures from traditional gaming, is anything like GamePass or xCloud, which take the games we already play and puts them in to the services.

They're not. I'm just saying they share the same end goal and it comes at a cost for anyone who just wants a next gen console to play the technically best exclusives possible. With this new strategy they're going to fragment the Xbox brand and the Series X will just be a small part of that, instead of their main focus. We will see how the scaling works but all I know is that the Series X is going to be a hard sell in the first two years. Not only will it be competing with the ps5, it will be competing with the X1, X1X, Lockhart that'll play the same games at a fraction of the price. Marketing and sales wise it will be a nightmare and I'm sure MS knows this. But apparently they are fine with it, because they are convinced there's a bigger fish to catch. It was the same thing with Kinect, which was actually a financial success for MS and why they kept pushing it so hard.

MS is just going in the next gen with a totally different strategy and I guess we will have to see how that'll work out. 

Here’s a new angle. It’s hard to think outside what Sony is doing. They have a console and everybody interested in them gets said console. But don’t act like they never offered more then 1 SKU in the past. Or like they won’t make a PS5 Pro. Because even Sony knows not all their gamers have the same preferences. 
Why are you only referring to Series X vs PS5? That’s not MSs strategy. You now have to compare the Xbox brand to PS5. Why would Series X compete with the other Xbox’s....it’s all in the family. 

You got early adopters, late adopters, non 4K TV owners, gamers who care about the lowest price, gamers who want power, gamers who can’t afford 10 games a year so they get GP, gamers who wouldn’t mind playing their games places other then their couch, PC gamers who don’t need a Xbox, even Playstation gamers with a capable PC who take a guilty pleasure in playing Xbox games when PS has nothing for them at the moment. 

Kinect again makes no sense because everything I just said is impossible to sustain if there are no games. Everything MS is trying to achieve revolves around core games. First thing you gotta do is stop trying to make this 1vs1. This isn’t PS5 vs Series X. This is PS5 vs “Xbox”, including our PC brethren :)

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Mr Puggsly on 25 February 2020
Radek said:

I'm impressed by Xbox Series X power, 12 Tflops wow!

Makes it even worse that it will be held back by 1.3 Tflops GPU! Really, without last minute overclock to 853 MHz - Xbox One was 1.2 Tflops! Yuck! Let's hope 2021 games start releasing on next gen only!

If you wanna argue X1 is holding back Series X, it's not the GPU per se. Visuals can be stripped down significantly. They can change geometry, reduce/remove effects, lower draw distance, reduce the frame rate, drop the resolution down to sub-HD, etc.

How much power would it take to run Red Dead 2 with the equivalent of PC at highest and 4K/60 fps? Probably more GPU power than Series X is equipped with.

If anything, its more like CPU and RAM that are bigger limitations when it comes to cross gen games.

I am almost done with Gears 5 and this game shows MS is doing a good job addressing problems with some of their core games. It's a much more ambitious game, large in scale and exceptional visually. Halo Infinite seems to be going the same route.

Hence, I am just hoping their cross gen content is notable. While the true tech showcases are rarely launch window content.



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