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jason1637 on 20 January 2022
Ryuu96 said:
jason1637 said:

Do you guys think MS actually wants GP on Playstation? Cause lets say that happens then whats the reason to get an Xbox over a PS5?

It was already leaked that Phil wanted Game Pass on PS IIRC through the Epic vs Google/Apple court case.

But I'm fairly confident if it did ever go to Playstation it would be xCloud only, I don't think Microsoft will go through the effort of porting every single title on Game Pass to Playstation, Lol.

Yeah i'd figure older games would be xcloud only but I think future games would be native. But even then internet connections are only getting stronger and stronger. Honestly if MS put gamepass on Playstation i'd probably buy a PS5 and eventually get rid of my Series X. 



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jason1637 on 20 January 2022
Ryuu96 said:

Correction, it was actually xCloud.

So basically he does want Game Pass on PS/Nintendo but through xCloud only, at the end of the day though, Sony or Nintendo will never accept that.

Okay this makes a lot more sense. Xcloud on PS and future games will also launch through Xcloud. But the issue here is that Sony is making PS Plus games nativee now. So if Gamepass was on the PS5 through cloud streaming and then PS Plus is also don't he PS5 with native support i'd be a hard sell for MS.



EpicRandy on 20 January 2022
Ryuu96 said:

Honoring past contract, I can get that but I think Spencer should get some at least concession from Sony for futures iteration.

Somethings like : Hey Sony want the Next CoD, How about you let Xbox players enjoy Spiderman in Marvel games. How about dropping ff7 exclusivity deal. Etc.

Don't get me wrong I appreciate spencer being nice but it should be a two way relationship.

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Imaginedvl on 20 January 2022
the-pi-guy said:

I'm not sure why you cut out the part where I mentioned that:

>The alternative is probably paying a few hundred million dollars to get out of the marketing contract. (I don't know the exact amount, but considering how big CoD is, it probably is pretty decently sized.)

I would imagine the backing out part of the deal probably isn't 2 million dollars. It's probably a few hundred million dollars. Call of Duty is a billion dollar a year franchise, and the contract is almost certainly for multiple years, and it probably has a huge value attached to it because of that.

Secondly, it's not exactly great practice to buy out of your contracts.

I think it's important to keep in mind that MS isn't buying Activision, hoping to turn a profit in 2 years. These are going to be very long term plans. MS isn't going to be upset because they continue selling Call of Duty on another platform for a few years.

Not sure why I cut it out indeed :) Was just to make the post shorter!

I think you are greatly overestimating the amount tho. Of course I'm talking out of my ass and we have no way know but those are marketing deals for advertizing, numbers are probably in single or 2 digits of millions, not 100x. Still a lot a lot anyway.

The second part is true, they will probably not buy out the contract and if there is a multi-year deal, it will stay there. 

But at the same time, Sony had to post that Twit and Microsoft did the same about the "desire"... I really believe, those 2 are playing games because it is not as simple as "fullfuling" something... :) Time will tell


 



Spade on 20 January 2022
EpicRandy said:
Ryuu96 said:

Honoring past contract, I can get that but I think Spencer should get some at least concession from Sony for futures iteration.

Somethings like : Hey Sony want the Next CoD, How about you let Xbox players enjoy Spiderman in Marvel games. How about dropping ff7 exclusivity deal. Etc.

Don't get me wrong I appreciate spencer being nice but it should be a two way relationship.

Exactly this. I don't even care about the Spiderman and Marvel stuff. But the content lock on FF and SE games in general I wish would end. 



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EpicRandy on 20 January 2022
Ryuu96 said:

Hard to see how this can't be anything but a positive for Activision-Blizzard employees, the work culture and the health of AB's IPs, I'm mostly happy for the employees, it's not really debateable to me that this is absolutely the best thing to come out of this acquisition and far more important than anything else, good and bad.

However, I hope Microsoft doesn't do mass layoffs, I know they didn't with Zenimax but AB is far larger...

I wouldn't worry for that, talent is hard to come by right now in the industry and there's plenty of action Microsoft could take before layoffs. Also Activision Blizzard are profitable which should give MS plenty of time to reorganize efficiently without having to.

With so many studio now I also think they also could easily setup some internal channels to help employee move around and work on projects they really like.  

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EspadaGrim on 20 January 2022
Machiavellian said:
EspadaGrim said:

And you expand Gamepass by expanding Xbox users because the majority of Gamepass subscribers are on Xbox compared to PC. Making it exclusive will ensure more users in your ecosystem and by in turn gaining more subscribers.

Or you can push GP on every device that can play games and get people to sub because one place will have it all with one sub.  I believe you are way to narrow in your focus on consoles and MS has moved beyond console wars.  Its the sub wars now and getting an eco system that has the most top rated games in one place.  Forget the console wars, MS isn't spending billions trying to win that battle anymore.

Let me explain to you why Gamepass wouldn’t work on PlayStation, Sony would never allow Gamepass on their platform that has 3rd party games on it because it would directly cut into their own store revenue and then you would have a GP on PlayStation that only has Xbox 1st party games that wouldn’t include BC titles unless PlayStation also allows Xcloud as well also Sony wouldn’t demand native versions of those games on their store. If MS makes a GP on PlayStation that has a way smaller library on it then do you think that Sony would be happy letting them charge the same 10$ a month for a lesser experience? And then what would you have in that scenario?

It would effectively kill Xbox as a console because why would ever want to buy a Xbox when you can buy a PS5 with actual exclusives while subbing to GP whenever MS releases a title you would interested in playing.

Phil is smarter than any of us and I trust that he knows what he is doing, but I don’t see any benefits as an Xbox user by having Gamepass and effectively 1st party games on PlayStation.



crissindahouse on 20 January 2022

Phil should use CoD to stop Sony from paying for exclusivity deals. But I guess in the end Sony will still get exclusivity deal after deal while asking Microsoft to still release games of then their studio on PS and because Phil is too nice sometimes he will do so lol



EpicRandy on 20 January 2022
shikamaru317 said:
crissindahouse said:

Phil should use CoD to stop Sony from paying for exclusivity deals. But I guess in the end Sony will still get exclusivity deal after deal while asking Microsoft to still release games of then their studio on PS and because Phil is too nice sometimes he will do so lol

Yep, if Phil is bound and determined to keep CoD multiplat even after existing contracts expire (like it sounds like he is considering), he should think first and use it as a bargaining chip instead. Tell Sony to back out of some of their timed exclusivity deals on 3rd party games (especially the rumored full exclusivity on Final Fantasy) and stop making more 3rd party hat deals, and then they can have CoD releases on PS5. Good chance for Phil to do something here that actually helps Xbox owners. If Sony caves it's a win-win, Microsoft gets the extra CoD revenue from PS sales, Xbox fans get the 3rd party games that Sony was attempting to lock Xbox fans out of so that they are forced to buy a PS5. It's a win-win for all gamers really too, PS fans don't feel forced to buy an Xbox to play CoD, Xbox fans don't feel forced to buy a PS5 to play Final Fantasy, KOTOR remake, Bioshock 4, Street Fighter 6, etc. 

Also should be easier now to get concession from Sony on crossplay multiplayer.



jason1637 on 20 January 2022

Yeah MS isnt gonna stop Sony from doing timed exclusives when they also do the same. That's like MS saying stop trying to compete with us if you want CoD. The lack of CoD will just make Sony want to double down on timed exclusives.