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I haven't forgotten how you were saying people who hated TLJ did so because they're racist/sexist and can't stand the all important representation. The representation hasn't changed in TROS, in fact there was even a lesbian kiss, so going by your logic what does that make you?



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So reading through this, I take it that
The movie "The Rise of Skywalker" is named like this because:
a) Nobody "rose"
b) There is no Skywalker
c) Just before going to print, somebody with a working brain cell (apparently rare in writing this movie) noticed the problem. So they added the girl's "I'm a Skywalker" line.
Does that sum it up?



RolStoppable said:
d21lewis said:
On the subject of "Mary Sue", I'm black and I also dislike the film trope of the "magical mystical negro".

I find actually find it insulting, pandering, and bad writing. I think viewers just prefer a character with depth but writers often don't know how to write characters that have different life experiences/backgrounds than themselves so they just write them to be beyond perfect. I cringe wherever I see it.

That's how I saw Rey in the first two films and really a lot of comic characters these days. They want to create a strong role model but end up with "Despite being black, he's the smartest and most capable!" or "I bet you didn't expect a woman to be the most powerful, did ya!"

Being treated BETTER than everyone else is sometimes worse than being treated the same as everyone else...if that makes sense.

It's called reverse racism in regards to race. Reverse racism is hilariously depicted in the Animal movie with Rob Schneider. The black guy keeps getting upset because he's getting treated so well by white people.

I can't believe you just convinced me to watch a Rob Schneider film.



d21lewis said:
RolStoppable said:

It's called reverse racism in regards to race. Reverse racism is hilariously depicted in the Animal movie with Rob Schneider. The black guy keeps getting upset because he's getting treated so well by white people.

I can't believe you just convinced me to watch a Rob Schneider film.

It's one of his better ones if that helps. Then, again, I actually like Rob Schneider, so I might not be the best one to judge that. My fave is the one where he became the stapler.

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drkohler said:
So reading through this, I take it that
The movie "The Rise of Skywalker" is named like this because:
a) Nobody "rose"
b) There is no Skywalker
c) Just before going to print, somebody with a working brain cell (apparently rare in writing this movie) noticed the problem. So they added the girl's "I'm a Skywalker" line.
Does that sum it up?

Spot on.



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It's funny how those who talk about how people care too much about things tend to constantly talk about said things. Sure some people go as far as to make hollow death threats, but that's a minority. Most just leave their thoughts on the matter and that's it. Of course, one can't frame it for what it is, complaining that people have differing opinions. That sounds immature and petty, so one must pretend fandom hate is some big issue, despite it being easily ignored and actually being quite beneficial.

I continue to find the idea of hating on haters to be one that's very silly. They would have us believe it's bad to think critically and that we should be mindless sheep that buys everything our corporate overlords throws at us. That it's wrong to advocate for companies to do better for everyone, which includes those that hate on us for doing it, which is the real head scratcher here. They'd rather buy worse products than better ones but why? It'd make some sense if they had a stake in the company, but I imagine the majority I see doing this do not.

Anyway, bitching about fandoms is only a distraction from the real issue, being the quality of the product not meeting standards. Look at Mario for instance, another huge fandom yet the hate is no where near as high. Could be because humans somehow magically become more better when talking about Mario, or it's simply because Mario doesn't give people many reasons to hate by consistently putting out good products.



Shadow1980 said:

I really enjoyed TROS. I've seen it twice already and plan to go at least once more. I enjoyed the other Disney-era films as well. I hope to see more. I go to the movies to be entertained, and Star Wars has always delivered in that regard. Even the prequels were enjoyable, warts and all, and I still watch them all the time.

But it really seems that movies can't just be treated as entertainment anymore. They're dragged into these stupid internet culture wars (some of it political, some of it just bog-standard nerd wars). Grown people—grown people—took TLJ way too fucking personally. They're having white-hot rage over an entry in a kids' fantasy film series that's about laser sword-wielding space wizards, ragtag rebels, and comically evil Empires. TROS has been better-received, but it's obvious that some people really hate its guts as well. This is all just a rehash of the whole "debate" over the prequels and everything else that induced rage in certain parts of the fanbase. And it's not just Star Wars that gets this treatment, though Star Wars hate is certainly more visible because of the sheer size of the fan base.

I can only imagine what it must look like to an outside observer when they see someone get this bent out of shape over a movie, to the point where many find it necessary to churn out constant hour-long YouTube videos about how much they hate the movie, or to harass the cast and crew on social media, or to storm review sites en masse to bombard a movie's page with 1/10 scores, or to actively discourage others from even giving the movie a chance, or to write rambling manifestos. How did this get to become acceptable behavior? This level of hate towards a movie has gone beyond all reason and sanity, and is nothing short of a reflection of the worst aspects of fandom. I love Star Wars, but it's not something that defines me as a human being. They're movies. Fun movies, but movies nonetheless. If I see something I object to, I can get over it. To paraphrase Lando: I may not like it, I may not agree with it, but I accept it. I don't go on some damn fool idealistic crusade, demanding that directors get fired or whatever, and taking every chance I get to remind everyone how much I didn't like this, that, or the other.

Seriously, being a fan of Star Wars, and especially of Disney-era Star Wars, has been fucking depressing these past two years (although it's been pretty damn depressing in the past as well). It seems like every day I see something online that makes me go "This totally justifies the existence of the internet," only to later see something that makes me go "Okay. That's enough. Time to shut the whole thing down," and Star Wars "discussion" as of late has definitely been part of the latter. Toxic fandom has been an issue for way too long, and it's grown increasingly cancerous in this era of social media that we're in. I just hope that once enough time has passed between the sequels and now that cooler heads will prevail. The fury over the prequels when they were new was arguably just as bad, yet here we are 20 years after The Phantom Menace and people are far less hostile towards them. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Maybe in 15-20 years people will grow to appreciate the sequels more, though by then they'd be complaining about some new Star Wars film or show supposedly ruining the franchise forever, just like the fifty other times it was supposedly ruined forever.

It reminds me of Holden McNeil's line in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back (a film that's now 18 years old):

"The Internet is a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another. ... This is a site populated by militant movie buffs: sad, pathetic little bastards living in their parents' basement downloading scripts and what they think is inside information about movies and actors they claim to despise yet can't stop discussing. This is where you go if you wanna hear frustrated would-be filmmakers mouth off with their two-bit, arm-chair-director's opinions on how they all could've made a better Episode One."

Well, at least everyone seems to enjoy The Mandalorian.

"Well, at least everyone seems to enjoy The Mandalorian."

>Unfortunate that Disney didn't make the sequels more like The Mandalorian and less like the sequels.



You ever stop and think about how many times Chewbacca has been handcuffed or tied up? I'm actually starting to think that's his kinky fetish.



I wonder if the Mandalorian is good because there is no Jedi or even Sith in the plots at this point. Hell, Even having Baby Yoda (Yeah I know its not Yoda) starts to get people knickers in a bind when he does force healing based on current lore. Its never explained in the show but when force powers, your Space sword welding wizards are part of the plot, it seems the nerd police come out in force.

Back on topic, I am surprised no one talked about the yellow lightsaber Rey is sporting at the end of the movie.



Machiavellian said:
I wonder if the Mandalorian is good because there is no Jedi or even Sith in the plots at this point. Hell, Even having Baby Yoda (Yeah I know its not Yoda) starts to get people knickers in a bind when he does force healing based on current lore. Its never explained in the show but when force powers, your Space sword welding wizards are part of the plot, it seems the nerd police come out in force.

Back on topic, I am surprised no one talked about the yellow lightsaber Rey is sporting at the end of the movie.

Which is great. Yellow is my favorite color for a lightsaber in games where I can pick one. I'm glad it's finally movie-canon.