Forums - Politics Discussion - Trump's DOJ might overturn Paramount Decree that'll allow studios to buy movie theaters

Ka-pi96 said:
So? I see no problem with that whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned anybody should be allowed to buy anything from anyone else so long as they're willing to sell it (and its main purpose isn't to harm others, eg. weapons). I do think there should be state run businesses in any vital industries, but not only are cinemas not vital, even if they were that still wouldn't make a difference here.

Sure, I'm biased in that I think cinemas offer a massively inferior viewing experience to TV and are insanely overpriced, but you're biased the other way so you can't really call me out for that.

I can point out one HUGE problem with studios owning theaters, Securities Fraud.

Right now, theaters get none of the box office revenue for the first two weekends.  That horrible deal allows studios to buy up tickets to inflate the performance of certain movies.  So, a massive flop can be converted into a modest success thereby affecting the stock price of the parent company.  Hollywood accounting is already extremely corrupt, this would take it to a whole new level.



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NinjaguyDan said:
Ka-pi96 said:
So? I see no problem with that whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned anybody should be allowed to buy anything from anyone else so long as they're willing to sell it (and its main purpose isn't to harm others, eg. weapons). I do think there should be state run businesses in any vital industries, but not only are cinemas not vital, even if they were that still wouldn't make a difference here.

Sure, I'm biased in that I think cinemas offer a massively inferior viewing experience to TV and are insanely overpriced, but you're biased the other way so you can't really call me out for that.

I can point out one HUGE problem with studios owning theaters, Securities Fraud.

Right now, theaters get none of the box office revenue for the first two weekends.  That horrible deal allows studios to buy up tickets to inflate the performance of certain movies.  So, a massive flop can be converted into a modest success thereby affecting the stock price of the parent company.  Hollywood accounting is already extremely corrupt, this would take it to a whole new level.

While movie studios do buy their own tickets, it is absolutely not true that theaters take no revenue for the first few weeks. They take a smaller portion at the beginning and as the movie stays in longer, that portion goes up. It usually works out to ~50% in the end. If they received nothing for the first two weekends, theaters would be out of business by now.



fatslob-:O said:

The DOJ isn't an independent judicial branch, it's a part of the executive branch ...

It's the supreme court that's the independent judicial branch ... 

Sorry, but though part of the executive branch of government, the Justice Department is definitely supposed to be independent, historically speaking. "..."



fatslob-:O said:
vivster said:
Isn't it great when people can write "Trump's DOJ" about a supposedly independent judicial branch and nobody bats an eye?

The DOJ isn't an independent judicial branch, it's a part of the executive branch ...

It's the supreme court that's the independent judicial branch ... 

This, and the Assistant Attorney General is a Trump appointee. 



Jaicee said:

Sorry, but though part of the executive branch of government, the Justice Department is definitely supposed to be independent, historically speaking. "..."

Look at the next post after yours ... 



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Ka-pi96 said:
So? I see no problem with that whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned anybody should be allowed to buy anything from anyone else so long as they're willing to sell it (and its main purpose isn't to harm others, eg. weapons). I do think there should be state run businesses in any vital industries, but not only are cinemas not vital, even if they were that still wouldn't make a difference here.

Sure, I'm biased in that I think cinemas offer a massively inferior viewing experience to TV and are insanely overpriced, but you're biased the other way so you can't really call me out for that.

Sure, if you want your local theater chain showing only Disney/WB films (and it will be one of those 2 since they're the only ones in any real position to buy out theaters).



melbye said:
We have two theatre-chains in Norway and movie-studios own both of them. Hasn't been a problem

Ticket prices are expensive though.... atleast its that way in denmark.
Prices are 2-3 times what they are in the US to go see a Movie.

Which is why its not done nearly as much.
Often when we go, I see half (or more) empty seats.... and I wonder why they dont lower prices.



KManX89 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
So? I see no problem with that whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned anybody should be allowed to buy anything from anyone else so long as they're willing to sell it (and its main purpose isn't to harm others, eg. weapons). I do think there should be state run businesses in any vital industries, but not only are cinemas not vital, even if they were that still wouldn't make a difference here.

Sure, I'm biased in that I think cinemas offer a massively inferior viewing experience to TV and are insanely overpriced, but you're biased the other way so you can't really call me out for that.

Sure, if you want your local theater chain showing only Disney/WB films (and it will be one of those 2 since they're the only ones in any real position to buy out theaters).

Well I really couldn't care less since as I said I don't like cinemas. Although I checked anyway and guess what... my local cinema is already owned by a movie studio. Movie studios owning cinemas seems to work perfectly fine in other countries so I don't get why you yanks are so worried about it.



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Ka-pi96 said:
KManX89 said:

Sure, if you want your local theater chain showing only Disney/WB films (and it will be one of those 2 since they're the only ones in any real position to buy out theaters).

Well I really couldn't care less since as I said I don't like cinemas. Although I checked anyway and guess what... my local cinema is already owned by a movie studio. Movie studios owning cinemas seems to work perfectly fine in other countries so I don't get why you yanks are so worried about it.

The reason is because they could just refuse movies from other studios and price dumping (A cinema has to pay about 50% of the ticket prices to the studio, which of couse doesn't happen if they own them) which could force any independent cinema quickly out of the market if the competition is only half as expensive. There's also the risk that when a studio has a sizable amount of cinemas, they simply don't sell to other cinemas anymore, which would effectively be a death sentence to any cinema not owned by a studio.

And like @KManX89 siad, only Disney and Warner Brothers are really in a position to do this, they would also be a giant problem for other studios or even oversea production companies. Imagine that they wouldn't want to show anything else but their own products in their cinemas, meaning not selling movies to other cinemas but also not buying from them, and you would be quickly left with just WB and Disney owning the whole industry without any chance for any competition to even start anything without any venues.

The difference between the US and other countries is that the US is creating most movies. No other country (except maybe India and Nigeria) could produce enough movies to be independent from outside sources for their movies and have several new movies every week. In other words, in other countries they couldn't possibly put the whole market under lockdown, but in the US, they can, and quite easily so.



Why the hell would anyone (movie watchers) be in favor of returning to the system that led to The United States vs. Paramount Pictures, Inc?



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