irstupid said:
Has that ever happened, or can it happen? You know, when Trump runs for President in 2020, he has a new Vice President on the ticket. |
This has happened in the pass so yes it can happen. There was an article a ways back that suggested that Trump was dissatisfied with Mike Pence and was considering on his reelection to run with someone else
Machiavellian said:
This has happened in the pass so yes it can happen. There was an article a ways back that suggested that Trump was dissatisfied with Mike Pence and was considering on his reelection to run with someone else |
Man, everything is coming to Xbox Game Pass!
But seriously, I'm too lazy to Google it. Can you tell me when it happened? I just want to know. It's an interesting piece of trivia.
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Who's twisting words? It came straight out of his big ass denture infused mouth. This whole fake news narrative his base tries to push is nauseating at best |
Thing is, he didn't call Mexican immigrants rapists though.
He never mentioned Mexican immigrants. He said Mexican illegal migrants. Mexican immigrants are not the same thing as Mexican illegal migrants, despite how many people manage to confuse the two.
He said he welcomed Mexican immigrants, that's why he said about building a door in his wall to let people through so they could work at all the jobs he claimed he would create.
But why would someone try to cross illegally and not go through the course of filling out the paper work and getting a visa?
That would be be people who know they have a criminal history and would be rejected. That would be the drug dealers and people with sexual assault history.
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I don't blame you for getting it all wrong. there is a lot of mis-information around these days.
| Stefan.De.Machtige said: That's simple. Trump is likeable, interesting and sometimes down-to-earth guy. The democratic hopefuls aren't really any of that. |
The guy who got a "small loan" of a million dollars is down to Earth??? He doesn't know what it's like to be an average everyday American at all. I can't believe his base and the people that defend him are really this delusional. And yeah lmao he's likable if you're a white nationalist
OT: Well he is the President so he's already in the spotlight and a good portion of America is conservative/conservative-leaning. The fact of the matter is conservatives know how to play to their base and the right are extremely good at uniting, there's little to no discourse between them. So you don't see these candidates having a lot of differing ideas or policies to the point where their base splinters off like on the left.
Simple. He's the anti-politician and people hate establishment politicians.
Everyone running against him walks and talks like they've been in government their entire adult life. Those people have had enough of the establishment political class and feel his brash nature represent their collective disdain for the typical politician.
Oh and every time someone twists his words like we've seen on this board already it reinforces the belief that his opposition is just irrational-foaming at the mouth Never Trumpers. The same way how completely insane Republicans looked during Obama's two terms.
He's going to win reelection and I am going to enjoy watching the overreactions.
Shadow1980 said:
@Italicized: False, as others have pointed out. @Bolded:
Show me where in the Democratic platform, policies, or rhetoric where they suggest nationalizing the means of production. @The rest: You don't get to define what is and isn't American. Progressives love America, too. We just have a different idea about what makes America great, and what makes for good policy. We also don't think loving your country means refusing to criticize aspects about its history or government. There's a fine line between patriotism and blind nationalism. And lots of Americans do listen to our "crap," as you put it. That's why the Democrats won the 2018 midterms despite gerrymandering working against us, and why Republican presidential candidates have won the national popular vote precisely once in the past 30 years. If nobody cared what we have to say, we wouldn't win elections. Republicans are the ones that are less popular, and they make most of their successes thanks to geography, a flawed electoral system, gerrymandering, and an unfortunate tendency of progressives to sit at home and stew or vote third-party if they don't like the Democratic candidate. |
Well put. I think we would blow the Republicans and establishment Democrats out of the water if there weren't so many barriers in our way like corporate money in government.
only777 said:
Thing is, he didn't call Mexican immigrants rapists though. He never mentioned Mexican immigrants. He said Mexican illegal migrants. Mexican immigrants are not the same thing as Mexican illegal migrants, despite how many people manage to confuse the two. He said he welcomed Mexican immigrants, that's why he said about building a door in his wall to let people through so they could work at all the jobs he claimed he would create. But why would someone try to cross illegally and not go through the course of filling out the paper work and getting a visa? That would be be people who know they have a criminal history and would be rejected. That would be the drug dealers and people with sexual assault history. ------ I don't blame you for getting it all wrong. there is a lot of mis-information around these days. |
So someone trying to escape a country full of crime, violence, government corruption and doesnt want to wait years to do it should automatically labled a rapist? Especially by someone who's been on record bragging about sexual assualt. Hmmmm okay...
| Cubedramirez said: Simple. He's the anti-politician and people hate establishment politicians. Everyone running against him walks and talks like they've been in government their entire adult life. Those people have had enough of the establishment political class and feel his brash nature represent their collective disdain for the typical politician. Oh and every time someone twists his words like we've seen on this board already it reinforces the belief that his opposition is just irrational-foaming at the mouth Never Trumpers. The same way how completely insane Republicans looked during Obama's two terms. He's going to win reelection and I am going to enjoy watching the overreactions. |
Yeah he'll most likely win if the DNC supports Joe Biden like they did with Hillary but anybody who thinks he's not part of the establishment or at the very least enables its agenda is delusional. He puts in place and is regularly for corporate establishment policies. Really the only thing that's not "establishment" about him is attitude and that he's extremely blunt, to put it nicely.
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My thoughts are basically what shadow 1980 said. I completely agree with him.
Shadow1980 said:
Responses in bold. It seems like you're operating on the common right-wing assumption that socialism is defined as "anything the government does." Conservative talking heads have been feeding this steady stream of garbage to the American public for decades now. But it was hogwash then and it's hogwash now. It is defined by public ownership of the means of production. Not regulation, not taxes, not government services. Public ownership through nationalizing private industry or direct ownership by the workers and/or consumers (e.g., cooperatives, worker-owned factories). Last I checked, the likes of Sanders and AOC weren't arguing that Walmart, Amazon, AT&T, Comcast, Apple, Berkshire Hathaway, Exxon Mobil, Ford Motors, etc., etc., ought to be nationalized or forcibly converted into some kind of worker-owned co-op. The idea that they are "socialists," much less "Marxists" or "communists," cannot be taken seriously. And most of the rest of the Democrats arguably don't even qualify as center-left, much less far-left. I especially find it funny when even major multi-billion dollar corporations get slapped with cliche Red Scare slanders. CNN has often been referred to as the "Communist News Network," as though we're expected to believe that Time Warner is actually some sort of Leninist front. I guess the ghosts of Leon Trotsky and Enver Hoxha sit on the board of directors at Comcast (MSNBC's parent company). The red-baiting from the right long ago reached the point of self-parody. |
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if the company no longer "owns" their own platform, then who does?
Another company."
under what political system would you place the authoritarian redistribution of resources in this way? beyond that can you quote for me where she has mentioned another business?
"Every other advanced nation has a single-payer or some other publicly-funded universal health insurance system."
which is a completely irrelevant red herring
"And a service provided by the government does not socialism make"
When all of the private options are consolidated into a centrally controlled system then yes, yes it does
I'm curious btw if you're going to jump as far as claiming its only socialism when there is no state
"Abolition of all private education is an idea that is not mainstream within the Democratic Party"
but is gaining traction which was my point
"but their overall economic system was the same mixed economy"
the nazis controlled all of the businesses in germany, they decided how they would operate and only allowed businesses inline with their agenda to survive, that can hardly be considered a mixed economy and especially not a capitalist economy as many dishonest people have claimed
"The Nazis violently persecuted socialists, communists, and other leftists"
what does this say about their policies? I thought we were talking about policy?'
" Last I checked, the likes of Sanders and AOC weren't arguing that Walmart, Amazon, AT&T, Comcast, Apple, Berkshire Hathaway, Exxon Mobil, Ford Motors, etc., etc., ought to be nationalized or forcibly converted into some kind of worker-owned co-op."
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/05/workplace-democracy-policy-bernie-sanders
"Bernie Sanders’s embrace of worker ownership and control aims to extend democracy from the political sphere to the economy."
"As revealed Tuesday by the Washington Post, the Sanders presidential campaign is currently working on two proposals designed to win American workers a greater share of profits and give them a bigger say in company decisions.
While details are forthcoming, the first will involve requiring large businesses to put a portion of their stock into employee-controlled funds, which would in turn pay out dividends to workers — potentially turning them into owners."
what do you think the ultimate goal of the proposals made here is?
"It seems like you're operating on the common right-wing assumption that socialism is defined as "anything the government does.""
I understand your desire to caricature my argument in this way, but I've clarified how you are wrong
"It is defined by public ownership of the means of production."
which is what democrats are calling for in some areas as I've clarified
"much less "Marxists" or "communists"
who exactly are you arguing with? are you doing the thing where someone makes a point you disagree with and so therefore you just lump them in with everyone you disagree with and assume they are saying the exact same thing?
I think you even at one point suggested I'm right wing lol
" CNN has often been referred to as the "Communist News Network"
why do people say that?
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