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Democratic Support of UBI and Abortion at the same time is Hypocrisy

Yes 8 26.67%
 
No 22 73.33%
 
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zero129 said:
RolStoppable said:

Because the mother is a conscious being while the fetus is not.

Old people who suffer from dementia get their rights removed because they are no longer in a position where they can make reasonable decisions for themselves. In such cases, it's usually a family member of theirs that gets to make the important decisions and sign documents in their name.

Does this mean that humanity discriminates people based on their lack of consciousness? Perhaps, but it's for the best that decisions are made by people who grasp the concepts of cause and effect, and who are aware of the consequences that any decision may entail.

Do you have children?.

If that's required for you to take one's opinion on this I have a three year old child and I don't find fault with Rol's reasoning. 



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Thought thread was going to be about recent state legislatures passing anti abortion laws even in cases of rape and incest.



How about this hypocrisy? Repuplicans are anti welfare and anti abortion. Well you can't have it both ways... You'd think republicans would be in favor of abortion if it kept the poor off welfare.



The youngest person to become pregnant was 5 or 6 depending on which resource material is used but it shouldn't make a difference.

Although that case went on successfully, a child that young faces a plethora of future complications including death.

In the scenario which a child is raped at such a tender age and impregnated against her will, then she has every last right to abort the child at any stage of development and because of this, I've come to the conclusion that it isn't anyone else's choice other than the mother. It should be that easy.



Insert Coin. Press START. You Died. Continue?

The whole restrictions past 8 weeks passed by recent state legislatures is bullshit. Most women don't even know they are pregnant till around then.



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zero129 said:
Torillian said:

If that's required for you to take one's opinion on this I have a three year old child and I don't find fault with Rol's reasoning. 

Your male?. i wonder how you would feel if your wife/girlfriend decided you're childs life wasnt important 3 years ago because at the time the child wasnt conscious.

Would you of been ok with that decision?.

Abortion is killing. im all for choice and the woman has the choice to not get pregnant in the first place.

I would be sad but I'd get over it. In the end, as the dude, you can't require your girlfriend or wife to take on pregnancy and child birth if she's not 100% into it. It's a tough process that culminates in an incredibly painful and sometimes (though thankfully rarely these days) fatal event. 

As a dude it can be easy to say "well you got pregnant you're going to have to deal with it" when that has nothing to do with us. 



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RolStoppable said:
zero129 said:

Do you have children?.

No, but that shouldn't relevant to the bolded part where I said that a fetus is not a conscious being.

I can expand on my previous post further by pointing out that children at the stage of having attained consciousness do not have the same rights as an adult. For example, children are not allowed to sign contracts without the co-signing of a parental figure.

The fetus is not a conscious being and neither are you or anyone else under the proper effect of anesthesia. So if a doctor kills a patient under anesthesia then the doctor committed no crime and should not face any consequences because the doctor didn't kill something conscious that "suffered".

If you say that being under anesthesia is a temporary state then so is the state of being a fetus.

Children don't have the same responsibilities and rights as adults, but that sure as hell doesn't mean anyone can go and kill them without society batting an eye.

The limits to the things that a children can do are precisely attempts to keep the child healthy and alive, it is not some arbitrary attempt to rid the child of his humanity.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

RolStoppable said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

The fetus is not a conscious being and neither are you or anyone else under the proper effect of anesthesia. So if a doctor kills a patient under anesthesia then the doctor committed no crime and should not face any consequences because the doctor didn't kill something conscious that "suffered".

If you say that being under anesthesia is a temporary state then so is the state of being a fetus.

Children don't have the same responsibilities and rights as adults, but that sure as hell doesn't mean anyone can go and kill them without society batting an eye.

The limits to the things that a children can do are precisely attempts to keep the child healthy and alive, it is not some arbitrary attempt to rid the child of his humanity.

That's exactly how I got away with murder. I shot my first wife in the head while she slept. No consciousness, no suffering. Same thing as abortion.

I can't agree with what you find acceptable, but I have to admit that your views are consistent.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

"Democrats have used the argument that developing babies in the womb can be thought of as parasites?" Really? Are you serious?

You chose a group of nobodies for the sample, and.you decided to call them Democrats? This OP was already started on misinformation and fact-twisting.

For the record, I strongly support a woman's right to choose, and I find UBI ridiculous.

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tsogud said:
o_O.Q said:

"Before I tell you why you're wrong OP answer me this, are you pro-choice or anti-choice and why?"

i actually think women should be free to murder their unborn children

"It's the woman's body so she should be able to decide what to do with it and have final say. "

fair enough, do you think rich people should pay more taxes in keeping with their responsibility to their communities?

You didn't answer my question, why do you think that way?

And yes, the very wealthy should be taxed more to better our society as a whole. There's no reason in a civilized society that multi-billionaires, whose profit comes at the expense of the people, should be treated better and be able to get huge tax cuts and breaks while the very same people that they profited off of die because they can't afford healthcare. It's a give and take relationship and so far the wealthiest have just been taking, they need to give back to the society that propped them up in the first place.

"You didn't answer my question, why do you think that way?"

i said i agreed with you that mothers should be able to murder their unborn children

" There's no reason in a civilized society that multi-billionaires, whose profit comes at the expense of the people, should be treated better and be able to get huge tax cuts and breaks while the very same people that they profited off of die "

so resources should be channeled from people who have more to people who have less

the developing child in the womb needs resources from the mother to survive, why in this case where the person in question is much more vulnerable and in far more need do you renege on your position and go in the opposite direction?

and the mothers also profit from society btw as every single person does

"so far the wealthiest have just been taking"

how do you think people become wealthy?