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melbye said:
I agree with Basil here, BBS, 3D and even 358/2 Days are all fundamentally important to understand a lot of what is going on in Kingdom hearts 3. I certainly wouldn't want to play KH3 without knowing the story they told

And I agree with that statement you just made. My point isn't that BBS, DDD, 358/2 Days, etc. shouldn't exist, it's that the story of Kingdom Hearts is overly complicated by all these spinoffs and I'd rather they designed the entire story differently, so that Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and 3 (the story that follows Sora in his fight against the main villain in his main story arc) would be something you could buy, play, and understand without needing to purchase 6 different game systems to play every game when they come out, and without ret-conning everything I know multiple times with prequels and betwequels that tell me that the game I just played lied to me. You don't understand how I might find that frustrating? I still love the series, and 358/2 Days is actually my favorite story of the bunch, with my favorite characters, but is it that unreasonable to wish that 3 came out less than a decade after 2, and that all the filler and spinoffs made in between then had been designed a bit differently? If you're fine with it all, good for you, but Basil is being pretty nasty and dismissive about it. I haven't said anything unreasonable here.

Last edited by HylianSwordsman - on 28 April 2019

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Rob5VGC said:
Dulfite said:

Yeah but with Kh the complete edition won't be done another decade...

KH1: March 28, 2002

KH1 Final Mix: December 26, 2002

KH2: December 22, 2005

KH2 FM (Remake of Chain of Memories is included): March 29, 2007

Birth by Sleep (Episode 0): January 9, 2010

Birth by Sleep FM (Playable secret episode is added): January 20, 2011

Could you not follow people and talk shit about this game because it is KH, a series only ignorant folk like to target?

I wasn't doing what you accused me of. I said a lighthearted comment, with no cursing or intended rudeness. It was a joke.



BasilZero said:
HylianSwordsman said:

1. I made no assumption over the decision making of the creator.

2. And yours is not a reasonable comparison at all. Xbox One is a strange naming convention that pays no attention to numerical order. KH3 has a three at the end because it continues the main story arc last visited in KH2.

3. Sure, all the spinoffs have important details for KH3, but there's nothing unreasonable about me wanting them to get back to the story and stop complicating it with all these side stories.

4. And there's nothing unreasonable about calling a deck building card based battle system with "worlds" that are just skins over a castle's walls like Chain of Memories a spinoff to a game about traveling between Disney Worlds through interdimensional travel and fighting with a traditional ARPG fighting system.

5. And I'm not here to play games, I'm here to discuss them. If you want to play games, VGChartz is not where you should be. It's a forum. Not a game console.


1. You did by dismissing what Nomura has been saying for years in interviews

That's not an assumption. I didn't assume that Nomura thinks like me, I assumed that what he said is how he really thinks, but I disagree with him.

2. Using this logic, you must be miserable waiting 30 years for Super Mario Bros 4 and Legend of Zelda 3 l0l

You're misrepresenting me again. Kingdom Hearts 3 is a sequel to 2, in that it continues the main story. The others are filler by your own admission. Mario doesn't have a continuous story and Zelda has the same events replaying throughout Hyrule's history with loose connections in the lore. They would never have a similar number system. You're being disingenuous here.

3. Stick to non-story games cause you obviously dont consider story to be a important aspect.

Of course I do. You've no business telling me what I think.

4. My case in point, you must be miserable considering waiting for Super Mario 4 despite the fact that Super Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxies 1/2, and Odyssey play differently from Super Mario Bros 1, The lost levels/2, and 3.

Super Mario 64 did play different from World, and yes, I did very much miss the way World played until New Super Mario Bros. came around. I also missed the way 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy played while waiting for Odyssey.

5. Trust me, I play more games than I venture into a forum arguing with walls who cant tell a mainline game from a "spinoff".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-off_(media)

The games are spinoffs.

HylianSwordsman said:

1. And I agree with that statement you just made. My point isn't that BBS, DDD, 358/2 Days, etc. shouldn't exist, it's that the story of Kingdom Hearts is overly complicated by all these spinoffs and I'd rather they designed the entire story differently, so that Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and 3 (the story that follows Sora in his fight against the main villain in his main story arc) would be something you could buy, play, and understand without needing to purchase 6 different game systems to play every game when they come out, and without ret-conning everything I know multiple times with prequels and betwequels that tell me that the game I just played lied to me.


2. You don't understand how I might find that frustrating? I still love the series, and 358/2 Days is actually my favorite story of the bunch, with my favorite characters, but is it that unreasonable to wish that 3 came out less than a decade after 2, and that all the filler and spinoffs made in between then had been designed a bit differently?

3. If you're fine with it all, good for you, but Basil is being pretty nasty and dismissive about it. I haven't said anything unreasonable here.


1. Its called Kingdom Hearts The Story So Far on PS4.

That I had to wait 10+ years for.

2. This has to be a joke post. I'm guessing if KH3 wasnt called KH3, you would still be waiting for a "3"? l0l

If it wasn't called 3 but was the exact same story, I'd be saying it should be called 3, but nonetheless feel satisfied that they finally got around to finishing that part of the story.

3. At least I'm not being arrogant, ignorant and dismissive of the creator's vision and calling mainline games he has confirmed multiple times as "Spinoffs" just because they play differently, God forbid if every game ended up like New Super Mario Bros.

That's what a spinoff is!



BasilZero said:

I still stand to what I said, and have no regrets :)

#30YearsForSuperMarioBros4

Anyways, cant wait to see what else is in the DLC. Hopefully secret boss will be Sephiroth.

Come on dude, I like you, why do you gotta be like this? Just respect my feelings on the matter.

And yes, they'd fucking better add a Sephiroth boss fight.



In the end, the creator of a series is the one who decides which games are mainline and which ones are not. What some random forum member thinks is completely irrelevant .



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Keybladewielder said:

In the end, the creator of a series is the one who decides which games are mainline and which ones are not. What some random forum member thinks is completely irrelevant .

Okay, then Metroid Prime isn't canon, and Other M is, because that's what the Metroid creator thinks, to hell with what the fans think.



Nice! I haven't played KH3 since I beat it. This DLC might get me to jump right back in!



HylianSwordsman said:
Kowan said:

Shhhh, he still thinks it took Square13 years to release the next KH game after KH2.

It did take them 13 years to make the next mainline game. Spinoffs don't count. I love Kingdom Hearts, but SE really dragged this whole saga out way too long, and I'm still mad at them for it. And I don't hate the spinoffs either. 358/2 Days holds a special place for me. But damn, KH2->KH3 13 years? Come on SE. Not cool.

Outside of maybe Coded, KH dosent have spinn off games...



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

BasilZero said:
HylianSwordsman said:

1. I made no assumption over the decision making of the creator.

2. And yours is not a reasonable comparison at all. Xbox One is a strange naming convention that pays no attention to numerical order. KH3 has a three at the end because it continues the main story arc last visited in KH2.

3. Sure, all the spinoffs have important details for KH3, but there's nothing unreasonable about me wanting them to get back to the story and stop complicating it with all these side stories.

4. And there's nothing unreasonable about calling a deck building card based battle system with "worlds" that are just skins over a castle's walls like Chain of Memories a spinoff to a game about traveling between Disney Worlds through interdimensional travel and fighting with a traditional ARPG fighting system.

5. And I'm not here to play games, I'm here to discuss them. If you want to play games, VGChartz is not where you should be. It's a forum. Not a game console.


1. You did by dismissing what Nomura has been saying for years in interviews

2. Using this logic, you must be miserable waiting 30 years for Super Mario Bros 4 and Legend of Zelda 3 l0l

3. Stick to non-story games cause you obviously dont consider story to be a important aspect.

4. My case in point, you must be miserable considering waiting for Super Mario 4 despite the fact that Super Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxies 1/2, and Odyssey play differently from Super Mario Bros 1, The lost levels/2, and 3.

5. Trust me, I play more games than I venture into a forum arguing with walls who cant tell a mainline game from a "spinoff".

HylianSwordsman said:

1. And I agree with that statement you just made. My point isn't that BBS, DDD, 358/2 Days, etc. shouldn't exist, it's that the story of Kingdom Hearts is overly complicated by all these spinoffs and I'd rather they designed the entire story differently, so that Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and 3 (the story that follows Sora in his fight against the main villain in his main story arc) would be something you could buy, play, and understand without needing to purchase 6 different game systems to play every game when they come out, and without ret-conning everything I know multiple times with prequels and betwequels that tell me that the game I just played lied to me.


2. You don't understand how I might find that frustrating? I still love the series, and 358/2 Days is actually my favorite story of the bunch, with my favorite characters, but is it that unreasonable to wish that 3 came out less than a decade after 2, and that all the filler and spinoffs made in between then had been designed a bit differently?

3. If you're fine with it all, good for you, but Basil is being pretty nasty and dismissive about it. I haven't said anything unreasonable here.


1. Its called Kingdom Hearts The Story So Far on PS4.

2. This has to be a joke post. I'm guessing if KH3 wasnt called KH3, you would still be waiting for a "3"? l0l

3. At least I'm not being arrogant, ignorant and dismissive of the creator's vision and calling mainline games he has confirmed multiple times as "Spinoffs" just because they play differently, God forbid if every game ended up like New Super Mario Bros.

⚠️ WARNED: Flaming (multiple posts) ~ CGI

Flaming, really?Thats BS.He is just pointing out the obvious notion on why it isnt a spin off.He didnt insult him...



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
HylianSwordsman said:

It did take them 13 years to make the next mainline game. Spinoffs don't count. I love Kingdom Hearts, but SE really dragged this whole saga out way too long, and I'm still mad at them for it. And I don't hate the spinoffs either. 358/2 Days holds a special place for me. But damn, KH2->KH3 13 years? Come on SE. Not cool.

Outside of maybe Coded, KH dosent have spinn off games...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-off_(media)