Who gives a fuck about John Oliver on this. He is British. You trying to gain brownie points with your rebel flag bearing friends? The south were traitors and racist. That is a fact.
Who gives a fuck about John Oliver on this. He is British. You trying to gain brownie points with your rebel flag bearing friends? The south were traitors and racist. That is a fact.
Dulfite said:
90% of what happens at schools is controlled by the board of education for each district. If CRT is being weaponized in a district, then it doesn't matter how uncommon it is nationally, it has to be dealt with and angers many. The district I taught in weaponized it. The one I live in was starting to weaponize it, along with having little kids have access to books about molestation and rape in horrifying, specific detail, amongst other things, so the people living around me elected two conservatives to the board last Tuesday in the election, beating the supposedly non-political incumbents who allowed these policies to take place. The people have spoken around here. These are district-specific issues, mostly. None of us know how "widespread" this is or isn't, because we only live in our small neck of the woods. |
Do what your god loving christians do then pull your kids out of public schools and have them engraved into one way of thinking unless god forgive they actually think for themselves or start asking questions.
KLAMarine said:
Well I think if we ask John Oliver himself, someone I understand you hold in high regard, yes. I think he would agree CRT can potentially screw kids up sometimes because the lessons can go south bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EICp1vGlh_U (9:00, 9:55) |
Upon review, I should have posted something more akin to the above. I came off as too sure of myself originally. Apologies on any misunderstanding.
Dulfite said:
Sure, but there are a lot of people that support CRT (or what they think it is) that are using it as ammo against white people, and that's what has gotten white's easily offended by CRT, in my experience. It isn't right wing ignorance of the of CRT, but rather left wing ignorance of how to apply CRT that is causing problems, in my limited, anecdotal experience. |
The thing is, that's not CRT. What you are talking about is totally different since CRT wasn't even a thing until the term was made popular by conservatives looking to politicalize it. You might have some people looking to politicalize race in general but that is not CRT. Your examples just show that you are using the term as a catch all to anything racial which was the aim in the first place by conservatives. Create the umbrella and throw everything into one pot so it muddies the discussion and you can label everything CRT.
My question is what would be the conservative way to discuss race in a classroom environment since you stated the problem is how the liberals apply race. One example is from Texas schools where they voted to remove the word slavery from history and social studies. Another example from the same area is a new bill to remove public schools from teaching about history of slavery and also laws and rules made during times after the civil war that suppressed not only black people but even women like the right to vote. Just like you can find examples of bad faith situation on race, there are currently a host of bad faith examples happen this every moment in conservative states who appear to want to rewrite history on all levels.
RolStoppable said:
The story would be a lot more believable if you had said "white administrators." |
Why would it be more believable?
sethnintendo said: Who gives a fuck about John Oliver on this. He is British. You trying to gain brownie points with your rebel flag bearing friends? The south were traitors and racist. That is a fact. |
He's actually got Dual-citizenship, making him as much an American as anyone else. Not the most pertinent point but still. He also has well-researched points and actually holds up to scrutiny (I fact checked a bunch of his stuff since it's a comedy show first, a news show second, and yeah, his stuff's accurate based on primary, respectable sources.)
And man, I'm beginning to remember why I stayed out of this thread for so long. Just so much inexcusable, willing ignorance being presented as fact and nobility. So many logical fallacies, so many misrepresentations of the facts, so much debate about morals and ethics without anything backing up the points aside from personal opinions regardless of the facts.
Politics really are a shit show.
Machiavellian said:
The thing is, that's not CRT. What you are talking about is totally different since CRT wasn't even a thing until the term was made popular by conservatives looking to politicalize it. You might have some people looking to politicalize race in general but that is not CRT. Your examples just show that you are using the term as a catch all to anything racial which was the aim in the first place by conservatives. Create the umbrella and throw everything into one pot so it muddies the discussion and you can label everything CRT. My question is what would be the conservative way to discuss race in a classroom environment since you stated the problem is how the liberals apply race. One example is from Texas schools where they voted to remove the word slavery from history and social studies. Another example from the same area is a new bill to remove public schools from teaching about history of slavery and also laws and rules made during times after the civil war that suppressed not only black people but even women like the right to vote. Just like you can find examples of bad faith situation on race, there are currently a host of bad faith examples happen this every moment in conservative states who appear to want to rewrite history on all levels. |
CRT was actually introduced in the 70s, in law school meant to investigate the impact of the nation's racist history on modern culture, examining why even when we have laws that either don't favour one race over another or outright ban discrimination, we still have racial inequality.
and hoo boy I don't even wanna get into all the religious teachings banning sex ed and glossing over the genocide of the indigenous people and all the other ear-clasping ways people refuse to come to terms with the shittiness we gave to each other in the past (and therefore perpetuate in the future.)
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Good, I hope he ends up on the street and everyone who walks past him spits on him and kicks his teeth in for the vile shit he pulled and continues to pull.
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Runa216 said: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-infowars-files-bankruptcy-sandy-hook-lawsuits-rcna24768?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma |
My initial reaction to this was positive as well, but it seems to be a way to try and weasel out of paying damages in said lawsuits. I hope it doesn't work.
TallSilhouette said:
My initial reaction to this was positive as well, but it seems to be a way to try and weasel out of paying damages in said lawsuits. I hope it doesn't work. |
Unfortunately it will work. But there are ways to still get water from a stone.
Runa216 said:
He's actually got Dual-citizenship, making him as much an American as anyone else. Not the most pertinent point but still. He also has well-researched points and actually holds up to scrutiny (I fact checked a bunch of his stuff since it's a comedy show first, a news show second, and yeah, his stuff's accurate based on primary, respectable sources.) And man, I'm beginning to remember why I stayed out of this thread for so long. Just so much inexcusable, willing ignorance being presented as fact and nobility. So many logical fallacies, so many misrepresentations of the facts, so much debate about morals and ethics without anything backing up the points aside from personal opinions regardless of the facts. Politics really are a shit show. CRT was actually introduced in the 70s, in law school meant to investigate the impact of the nation's racist history on modern culture, examining why even when we have laws that either don't favour one race over another or outright ban discrimination, we still have racial inequality. |
This post is actually serious. Had to just come back to this thread to say thanks for the laughing material.