You still do not get it.  Without the votes they have no choice.  They could just do nothing which then means nothing gets done and thus accomplish nothing.  Why you believe Biden can force Senators who are not voted into office based on his popularity has any strength boggles the mind and sometimes I wonder if you are paying attention.  At the end of the day, Progressives better pick their best options within the bill and get something done or risk getting nothing done.

While you want to put this all on Biden you better be paying very much attention to Machin because he does not care if the bill every gets to the President desk.  He has already gone on record saying he is fine with 0.  

The only way this changes is if the US public actually voted the way you keep claiming but history says no so the chance of both house and Senate flipping is pretty high which means the public you keep talking about are not in it to win it and neither are the progressives.  They want the moon but cannot realize they can only get a steak dinner right now.

Your turn to tag in I see, your MO

Anyway.. Biden will get credit when he earns it, this is not one of those times.. 

So two Dem senators are holding the US public to ransom? Yet its again up to the 30 or so Progressives to severely compromise, this isnt just a US thing either, a large part of that package was to address climate change, this will be severely under cut  

Biden has no leverage at this crucial time in our history, it's very disappointing to say the least 

Those popular and politically pragmatic progressive ideas will help with re-election, because they actually help people hence why they are popular 

But $7.1 Trillion spending on the Military somehow goes through without a hitch.. please, this is just a broken system 

Joe Manchin Demands Dems Drop Climate Funding as He Makes Millions from Coal, he gets to call the shots on 300 million US citizens and the World, where is the President? 

Let me ask you a question, what happens if the Progressives do not compromise, what happens next.  Name something that is so important to Manchin or Sinema that the progressives can dangle to them that would turn their votes.

I believe you do not understand my position.  I stated this early within this thread that the progressives will need to figure out exactly what they believe they can accomplish and get something done.  This all or nothing strategy isn't working because the other side is fine obstructing everything because they are not looking for any change.  Right now the progressives need wins, no matter how small, they need to get things on the board, this is not a sprint its a marathon.  The progressives will not achieve their goals throwing all these huge big spending packages because they will never get any support on the GOP front and not enough on the Dems.  The can stonewall and get nothing done which is a cycle that does not work.

The Progressives have already compromised far, they originally wanted 10 trillion over 10 years, then it was 6.0, then pushed down to 3.5, now 1.75 without almost everything of value to the progressives, most of that 1.75 being Corp handouts 

Damn! "A Marathon" in dealing with climate change? This is a Sprint to the finish or its' game over.. do you even care about or understand the actual issues?    

Now your saying no matter what, the progressives and the US people have to always back down, it's always their role, it's their role to back down to the rich and powerful, it's their place, always the first and last to be asked to compromise

The selfish win because that don't care what happens, and the ones that care always lose 

Biden is a poor leader that wont fight for his people or the World, and neither will people like you sadly, Biden will lose what control the Dems have with these terrible compromises, doesn't sound politically pragmatic to reject hugely popular polices time in, time out, the Dems will be punished in 22 and 24   

Lol, you can damn it all you want but that is the reality.  The votes are not there, you get what you can get and move to the next thing.  Its like you do not understand how the political system works.  If you do not have the votes, you get nothing.  The progressives need wins period.  They need to get something on the board, then when they can show how successful their last agenda was, they get more traction to go bigger.  Getting nothing accomplish gets nothing.  If you are not in it for the long game then the people who are just wait you out.  

For the people that care, they need to build momentum. Getting something done then building off of that builds momentum.  Getting nothing done does not move the needle and thus the cycle repeats.

You do not get it, it matters not what I care about because I am just one person.  Its what we can do with the time and resources we have now.  We are not on the same page.  I am asking you what can the Progressives do now, that get something done or they can pick up and do nothing.  Doing nothing accomplish nothing because the other side is more than happy to do nothing.  Their whole agenda is to do nothing and they are more then happy if the Progressives do not compromise and do nothing.

Here is another question for you since you believe that Biden is the key problem here.  What exactly do you believe Biden can do to change Manchin or Sinema to vote for the Progressive agenda.  You keep throwing Biden name around like it means something so I am wondering what you believe he can do.  What magic is he going to pull out of his hat because from what I can see, Manchin holds all the cards.  He is fine with nothing, so you better find something he cares about or nothing is what you get.  

The progressives will have to compromise until they win enough elections that they no longer have to compromise. It sucks, but that's the way things work. Is our government broken? Sure. How are you going to get 60 votes to fix it though? 

It isn't by Biden doing some unspecified thing that you've only spoken of in the vaguest of terms.

It is by us voting. 

I know you think its all a game, you appear to lack empathy for the plight of people, maybe you will never understand or "feel" these issues and what it means to most non-politicians  

You say "For the people that care", YOU should care, we all should, we ALL should be mad as hell at this shite, Climate change will affects everyone for countless generations, also treating things like M4A as something that can be addressed decades down the line after decades have already passed on these issues, because 'politics', tells me a lot about your motives in discussions like this, and I don't trust you to look at the big picture in a empathetic way :/

Your out of touch, people like you are the problem, weak Presidents like Biden are the problem, Corporate sponsored Senators are the problem, we simply don't have the time anymore, the science shows us that the climate catastrophe is looming faster than many want to believe    

Yes, it is a game, its a game that just like anything, there are winners and losers.  Understanding how the game works give you an advantage.  Not understanding how the game works means you get frustrated and lose.  

So lets understand this game.  You cannot pass most anything without 60 votes in the Senate.  You cannot get rid of the filibuster without 50 votes.  You cannot get your agenda to even get started with either getting rid of the filibuster, getting 60 votes or with the current environment 50 votes.

Now that we have established the rules of this game, lets understand the current environment.  Dems will absolutely get no votes from the GOP, they have already shown that with every vote from the house to the Senate.  So that means nothing through filibuster.  You have 2 Dems Senators who are not going to vote against the Filibuster so you can pretty much nix getting rid of it.  You have 2 Dem Senators no matter what their affiliation are not going anywhere anytime soon so you must deal with them now.

You preach all this emotion empathy stuff but none of it gets you anything.  I do not view voting as some emotional soul searching enterprise.  I view it as my duty.  I do not just vote on the federal level, I vote on every level, from my local to state to the federal to basic commissions.  You are right, I am not like you because I am in it for the long game.  I understand the process, I understand that the laws that effect me the most actually are on the state level not federal.  

It appears to me that you are someone who does not take the process seriously.  You only vote occasionally and probably never vote on the local or state level.  You seem to vote emotionally which means when you do not get what you want, you just do nothing.  When you say I am out of touch, that is how I view you.  I view you as someone who only vote when it suits you.  You only vote when you believe the outcome is going to be your happy path but that type of voting is the problem in the US. There isn't always a happy path, there isn't always a best candidate, you are not going to get most if not the majority of the items you believe in no matter who you voted for.

When you say I am out of touch, that is how I view your post.  You seem to only look at the President as if that position is the only important position on the federal level.  You do not seem to understand the process.  It matters not how strong or weak, Biden is because he is only 1/3 of the federal portion of the government, there is the House and Senate.  Crying about Senators beholden to corporate sponsors, so what.  At the end of the day, if they are in a seat, they must be dealt with.

So I ask you again, now that we understand the rules, how do Progressives overcome the situation now.  How do they even get 50 votes to even have a chance of getting anything within their agenda.

My point still stands.  Either Progressives figure out what they want that will have the biggest impact and show results and get it done or they can do nothing which fits right into what Manchin Sinema and the GOP want.  Tell us what you believe that can do without all this emotional stuff that gets nothing done.

You talk like your "game of politics" has actually achieves something, it has been decades of business as usually, and it will be decades more, little ever gets done, and with the Climate Crises that is devastating 

Because you feel secure in your life, your happy to watch it from the side lines, as I said you lack empathy

You talk about heart felt emotion as if its a bad thing, it is what makes us human and not soulless automations

The President leads his party, it is the members of his party that are blocking the funding for the climate crisis amongst other things important to the people, a leader leads in many ways including privately and behind closed doors, you are making excuses for his weak leadership as you always have    

The Progressives have been asked again to compromise on popular policies, I get the feeling they would rather nothing happen now as the compromise is a devastating one, time now for Biden to lead his party if he has the capacity or loose the next election

The Dems are losing the long game