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pokymon90 said:
Bandorr said:

California votes: 13,237,598.  Alaska votes: 298,566

If 100 people voted on what to eat, why would the one person that voted chicken get to decide for the other 99? They wouldn't.

Nobody is saying that the 99 have to eat chicken, they are saying you can't feed me fucking beef when I am a vegetarian.

We need to make this federal government smaller. More state's rights the better. We are a union of multiple countries, the federal government should not be in control of half(probably more) the shit they are. That's the point. Californian's should be able to vote on Californian issues in state elections. Alaska should vote on Alaskan issues. 

New laws at the federal level SHOULD HAVE wide support from the whole country, not a couple states, because they will be negative to some, and positive to others.

What is the downside of having states have more rights than they are afforded now? Less centralized? Perfect, that's what we need. This big federal government looming over the country isn't good.

We're not multiple countries though, we're one nation. States have a lot of rights as it stands now, they're free to pretty much govern how they please. An efficient and effective central government makes it difficult for a state to abuse their power and the rights of the people.

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tsogud said:
pokymon90 said:

Nobody is saying that the 99 have to eat chicken, they are saying you can't feed me fucking beef when I am a vegetarian.

We need to make this federal government smaller. More state's rights the better. We are a union of multiple countries, the federal government should not be in control of half(probably more) the shit they are. That's the point. Californian's should be able to vote on Californian issues in state elections. Alaska should vote on Alaskan issues. 

New laws at the federal level SHOULD HAVE wide support from the whole country, not a couple states, because they will be negative to some, and positive to others.

What is the downside of having states have more rights than they are afforded now? Less centralized? Perfect, that's what we need. This big federal government looming over the country isn't good.

We're not multiple countries though, we're one nation. States have a lot of rights as it stands now, they're free to pretty much govern how they please. An efficient and effective central government makes it difficult for a state to abuse their power and the rights of the people.

Excellent. So what's the argument?



pokymon90 said:
Bandorr said:

California votes: 13,237,598.  Alaska votes: 298,566

If 100 people voted on what to eat, why would the one person that voted chicken get to decide for the other 99? They wouldn't.

Nobody is saying that the 99 have to eat chicken, they are saying you can't feed me fucking beef when I am a vegetarian.

We need to make this federal government smaller. More state's rights the better. We are a union of multiple countries, the federal government should not be in control of half(probably more) the shit they are. That's the point. Californian's should be able to vote on Californian issues in state elections. Alaska should vote on Alaskan issues. 

New laws at the federal level SHOULD HAVE wide support from the whole country, not a couple states, because they will be negative to some, and positive to others.

What is the downside of having states have more rights than they are afforded now? Less centralized? Perfect, that's what we need. This big federal government looming over the country isn't good.

Man you just said what I've been getting at so much better than me.



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pokymon90 said:
tsogud said:

We're not multiple countries though, we're one nation. States have a lot of rights as it stands now, they're free to pretty much govern how they please. An efficient and effective central government makes it difficult for a state to abuse their power and the rights of the people.

Excellent. So what's the argument?

The argument, my friend, is that a big central government is not what you should be concerned about. You should be concerned about an inefficient, corrupted government that doesn't act on the will of the people.

If you have 50 separate "countries" all having different rules, regulations, etc. and working independently from one another. It's much more easy for a corrupted state to impose their will on the American people and abuse their power. Divided we're weak but united we're strong and have a much louder voice.

Why do you think the European Union was created?



 

tsogud said:
pokymon90 said:

Excellent. So what's the argument?

The argument, my friend, is that a big central government is not what you should be concerned about. You should be concerned about an inefficient, corrupted government that doesn't act on the will of the people.

If you have 50 separate "countries" all having different rules, regulations, etc. and working independently from one another. It's much more easy for a corrupted state to impose their will on the American people and abuse their power. Divided we're weak but united we're strong and have a much louder voice.

Why do you think the European Union was created?

Why do you think the KKK was created?

Why do you think the KKK is so weak and mostly disregarded today?

Just because something is created for a reason that seems justified at the time by some, doesn't make it a universally 'good' idea forever.

What is happening now in the EU?

Good idea's continue until they require some changes/upgrades, and bad idea's are eventually tossed.

Rights trump efficiency, especially if the 'efficiency' starts to infringe heavily on those rights.



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the-pi-guy said:
Baalzamon said:
I'm really not trolling you, you simply don't understand the electoral college.

If our vote was truly decided by POPULATION alone, every election would be decided by popular vote. That is it.

We fortunately do not have a system designed in that way. We have a system designed to utilize population, but ALSO to respect differing opinions among different states that may not have quite as enormous of a population.

Yea, if you win all the most populous votes, you will win the election. But our very election results show exactly what this system means (numerous times in the near past mind you). We do pay heed and care about the lower density areas.

Heck, we even provide the lower density areas with representatives, as different districts get to vote for who represents them, and it once again isn't just decided by the whole population (or else MN would just have 100% liberals elected for other elections as well).

>We fortunately do not have a system designed in that way. 

Nothing fortunate about it.  It's an arbitrary decision that your only argument that supports your position is that you are glad because some population that you consider extreme isn't the main decider.  In other words your only argument is that it helps you.  It is an arbitrary decision.  

Someone else could and has made the exact opposite argument and come to the opposite conclusion.  And they are equally as right because its arbitrary. 

To initially bring the nation together, compromises needed to be made. You don't get rich and powerful by being a dick and bossing other people around. You get that way by being reasonable and making deals where it's mostly win win. In order to build the nation that exists today, the electoral college was necessary, along with many other things, and still is.

If some administration in the near future was able to do what was necessary to make the change to a strictly pop vote, you can be sure that it would not take all that long for certain states to start to exit. This could end up a major problem, because if all those states who leave, decide to join and create their own country, you can bet they won't exactly be all the friendly to the country who pushed them to leave in the first place. Not like they'll be aggressively hostile, but they sure aren't going to be easy to deal with, and so when it came to efficiency at that point, well, so much for that ideal.

A strictly pop vote will not work for the foreseeable future, because the portion of the pop that will always win that vote, has considerably different views than the rest of the nations voters. It's not like the pop vote would be a vast majority either. The fact that the Presidency has been very equal in terms of party over time, along with the House ending up the opposite mid term, is a good indicator that the system works pretty darn well. Not perfect, but much better than most.



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Bandorr said:
Christianity Today magazine is an evangelical Christian periodical that was founded in 1956 and is based in Carol Stream, Illinois. The Washington Post calls Christianity Today, "evangelicalism's flagship magazine";[2] The New York Times describes it as a "mainstream evangelical magazine".[3]
Created by Billy Graham.

The head editor: Mark Galli just wrote an article. with a headline " Trump Should Be Removed from Office ".
"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior."

From what I can tell - this is big news. This is huge news.

I've always been perplexed by items like this.

You have a not for profit company issuing a statement about a political matter, when 501c3 companies are specifically exempt from engaging (directly or indirectly) in any political campaign activity (defined as supporting or opposing a candidate for public office). Failure to comply with this regulation is supposed to result in losing your not for profit status.

Isn't stating he should be removed from office doing exactly what the regulations say isn't allowed?



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EricHiggin said:
tsogud said:

The argument, my friend, is that a big central government is not what you should be concerned about. You should be concerned about an inefficient, corrupted government that doesn't act on the will of the people.

If you have 50 separate "countries" all having different rules, regulations, etc. and working independently from one another. It's much more easy for a corrupted state to impose their will on the American people and abuse their power. Divided we're weak but united we're strong and have a much louder voice.

Why do you think the European Union was created?

Why do you think the KKK was created?

Why do you think the KKK is so weak and mostly disregarded today?

Just because something is created for a reason that seems justified at the time by some, doesn't make it a universally 'good' idea forever.

What is happening now in the EU?

Good idea's continue until they require some changes/upgrades, and bad idea's are eventually tossed.

Rights trump efficiency, especially if the 'efficiency' starts to infringe heavily on those rights.

>Uses the KKK as an example to justify their stance

Yikes...



 

coolbeans said:
tsogud said:

The argument, my friend, is that a big central government is not what you should be concerned about. You should be concerned about an inefficient, corrupted government that doesn't act on the will of the people.

If you have 50 separate "countries" all having different rules, regulations, etc. and working independently from one another. It's much more easy for a corrupted state to impose their will on the American people and abuse their power. Divided we're weak but united we're strong and have a much louder voice.

Why do you think the European Union was created?

It's funny because those two things historically go hand in hand.

Any government, "big" or "small" can be corrupted

"Big government" isn't the problem here. It's the corrupted, inefficient system to which the government is apart of that's the issue.

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coolbeans said:
tsogud said:

The argument, my friend, is that a big central government is not what you should be concerned about. You should be concerned about an inefficient, corrupted government that doesn't act on the will of the people.

If you have 50 separate "countries" all having different rules, regulations, etc. and working independently from one another. It's much more easy for a corrupted state to impose their will on the American people and abuse their power. Divided we're weak but united we're strong and have a much louder voice.

Why do you think the European Union was created?

It's funny because those two things historically go hand in hand.

So European countries all have inefficient and corrupt governments since they have big government? Oh wait, how come those countries are ranked better on corruption indexes - even up to taking the top spots? Could it be that the size of the government has no relation to how corrupt it is?